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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 7793884" data-attributes="member: 7635"><p>I think its easy to assume that my stance is close to a hyperbolic "tabaxi half-dragon paladins in Dark Sun" since that is the logical extreme (similar to my hyperbolic "if you restrict options, everyone can only be human fighters" above). </p><p></p><p>Basically, every D&D setting that is printed under a specific edition (be it the edition it was created for or the one its been updated to) has to account for what the current PHB has as the "bare minimum" options. The 1983 Folio only had to account for the races and classes in the 1e PHB, while the 3e update accounts for the later additions in that edition. The trend has been to try and find homes for those things rather than exclude them. All the 3e updates of various settings (Forgotten Realms, Living Greyhawk, Arthaus Ravenloft, Dragonlance, and Dragon's Dark Sun) found places for every class and most of the races (though not all). The 4e versions of Realms, Eberron, and Dark Sun likewise found homes for most of the core options of 4e (some less eloquently than others, but I digress). That said, not everything fits, and I get that. But I have three maxim's I think should be applied when a setting gets updated to a new edition.</p><p></p><p>1. Try to account for as much of the PHB as possible. I don't care about supplemental works; those are supplemental for a reason. But the core PHB should be as close to available as humanly possible. Basically, I don't care about tortles, shadar-kai, or bladesingers, but I do about the 9 races and 12 classes in the PHB.</p><p></p><p>2. Options should be restricted only when it contradicts the setting. Ravnica doesn't have halflings because MtG doesn't have them. Gnomes are extinct on Athas; there are no orcs in Krynn or Barovia so no half-orcs exist there. These are logical choices made at the time of creation for those settings. Sometimes things just don't fit, but they are explained logically why they don't rather than "they didn't exist when it was created". </p><p></p><p>3. When an option is removed, another option should replace it. If you're removing half-orcs from a setting, a new race (like Ravenloft's Calibans, or Dragonlance's minotaurs) should attempt to fill the niche with a more appropriate choice. That is easier done with races and subclasses, but harder with core classes, so (returning to 1) I think its fair for most settings to account for as many classes as possible, since I don't imagine there will be a lot of room to create or rewrite dozens of new classes to replace removed options. </p><p></p><p>4. The DM still has the right to say no. The above is guidelines for WotC producing books, not DMs running games. I think its a far better method to say where something in the PHB exists and let the DM decide if his version has it than to say it doesn't exist and force the DM to figure out where to insert it. </p><p></p><p>5. Included doesn't mean important. Tieflings and Dragonborn are both in Eberron and Realms, neither are important. Neither has a nation of their own (or those that do they are small and on the borders of the map) and neither has substantial representation in populations or NPCs. Basically, you could carve them out of both settings and affect little, unlike elves in either setting. I imagine both race in Dark Sun, Dragonlance, or Greyhawk would have a similar minority status of being from "the edge of the map" and appearing rarely. </p><p></p><p>So Basically, if any other settings get an update like Eberron has, just account for what's in the PHB. That's all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 7793884, member: 7635"] I think its easy to assume that my stance is close to a hyperbolic "tabaxi half-dragon paladins in Dark Sun" since that is the logical extreme (similar to my hyperbolic "if you restrict options, everyone can only be human fighters" above). Basically, every D&D setting that is printed under a specific edition (be it the edition it was created for or the one its been updated to) has to account for what the current PHB has as the "bare minimum" options. The 1983 Folio only had to account for the races and classes in the 1e PHB, while the 3e update accounts for the later additions in that edition. The trend has been to try and find homes for those things rather than exclude them. All the 3e updates of various settings (Forgotten Realms, Living Greyhawk, Arthaus Ravenloft, Dragonlance, and Dragon's Dark Sun) found places for every class and most of the races (though not all). The 4e versions of Realms, Eberron, and Dark Sun likewise found homes for most of the core options of 4e (some less eloquently than others, but I digress). That said, not everything fits, and I get that. But I have three maxim's I think should be applied when a setting gets updated to a new edition. 1. Try to account for as much of the PHB as possible. I don't care about supplemental works; those are supplemental for a reason. But the core PHB should be as close to available as humanly possible. Basically, I don't care about tortles, shadar-kai, or bladesingers, but I do about the 9 races and 12 classes in the PHB. 2. Options should be restricted only when it contradicts the setting. Ravnica doesn't have halflings because MtG doesn't have them. Gnomes are extinct on Athas; there are no orcs in Krynn or Barovia so no half-orcs exist there. These are logical choices made at the time of creation for those settings. Sometimes things just don't fit, but they are explained logically why they don't rather than "they didn't exist when it was created". 3. When an option is removed, another option should replace it. If you're removing half-orcs from a setting, a new race (like Ravenloft's Calibans, or Dragonlance's minotaurs) should attempt to fill the niche with a more appropriate choice. That is easier done with races and subclasses, but harder with core classes, so (returning to 1) I think its fair for most settings to account for as many classes as possible, since I don't imagine there will be a lot of room to create or rewrite dozens of new classes to replace removed options. 4. The DM still has the right to say no. The above is guidelines for WotC producing books, not DMs running games. I think its a far better method to say where something in the PHB exists and let the DM decide if his version has it than to say it doesn't exist and force the DM to figure out where to insert it. 5. Included doesn't mean important. Tieflings and Dragonborn are both in Eberron and Realms, neither are important. Neither has a nation of their own (or those that do they are small and on the borders of the map) and neither has substantial representation in populations or NPCs. Basically, you could carve them out of both settings and affect little, unlike elves in either setting. I imagine both race in Dark Sun, Dragonlance, or Greyhawk would have a similar minority status of being from "the edge of the map" and appearing rarely. So Basically, if any other settings get an update like Eberron has, just account for what's in the PHB. That's all. [/QUOTE]
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