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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7860084" data-attributes="member: 93670">It's a little more complicated than that & a big chunk of your confusion is almost certainly due to the frankly bizarre misinterpretations & misrepresentations of the OP in this thread.The "concept" of gods, but their existence (or lack of)is a philosophical question rather than an objective provable fact.  The exception to this is <a href="https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Silver_Flame" target="_blank">The Silver Flame/kalok shah</a>, but it has nothing in common with what any setting (including eberron itself) would call a god,  The silver flame is more of a force or conflagration of mortal souls/energy of celestial beings akin to the sacred flame cantrip scaled past epic eldritch machine power  levels.  You can go to the flamekeep (Think the CoSF Vatican analog) to see a piece of it if you want.Any "evidence" that gods exist in eberron is subjective interpretations & a lot like what certain extremely devout religions people on earth will point at as "evidence" god exists.  If you were to cast a spell like augury/gate/planar binding/etc  not only would the celestial involved be unable to give any better evidence; but they might not even want to be wasting time interacting with you instead of whatever more important things they could be doing.<a href="https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Overlords" target="_blank">Demon Overlords</a> exist & are bound in Khyber, that is a knowable fact. Back in 3.5 they had deific ranks, but mostly that was because 3.5 had mechanics that were tied to those.  There's 30 or so overlords & most are left to the gm to define (ie not even a name).  The ones that do exist are often forces of nature & concepts given flesh & free will which makes them absurdly powerful should they ever be unbound....  How do you fight the rage of winter, unknowable truths, secrets whispered from shadows, etc when given a vessel of flesh & free will?.. Their existance is extremely important to eberron, but not because they are actively doing anything.  They set the foundation for soooo many things from 998yk/present day all the way back to the equivalent of eberron's big bang.</blockquote>

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