Eberron vs Greyhawk

[Darkness]

Of course, I'm immune to meta-plots.

Player: Wait! You can't do that. Lord Epic Level NPC died in Dumb Book by Author I don't Care about.

Me: And you think that happened in my world why?

Same here. Not to mention that raise dead (or better versions) - as well as other things - are quite available to the powerful in the FR anyway.

 

[Virel]

Greyhawk is dead and we should all move on. It's just there for name's sake now.

Speak for yourself on that accord.

My Greyhawk/Celene campaign has ran for a total of 17 years next month. Currently, there are over 20 active players still 1st ed AD&D game too. A friend of mine runs 3e Greyhawk. The golden era for Greyhawk ended when EGG left T$R for sure. Yet, some of the 2nd materials are decent and the Living Greyhawk book is worth taking a look at.

Anyone with an imagination can make a Greyhawk alive campaign, even today with the newer versions of 3e. Just grab the Living Greyhawk book, jump in and ignore the meta-plots as they develop if you don't want them.

I know if I ever get around to DMing a 3e game it will be in Greyhawk...

RA made a great point about the new C&C materials being a thinly disguised Greyhawk product.

 

[Infernal Teddy]

I've never participated in a living campaign, but I do use their materials. RPGA membership is free now, you know. Might as well take advantage of it !

Yeah, but if you don't live in the US, becoming member as a player is a pain in the ... you know what. And from what I've heard, if you as a DM want to get stuff, you have to scedule a RPGA-Game. Which I don't feel like. I stand by my coment: I want to be able to buy additional SETTING-Material. In a Store.

 

[Arnwyn]

There are other sources of info

Amazon Bestsellers /SNIP/

Are you suggesting this is representative?

 

[Keoki]

Yeah, but if you don't live in the US, becoming member as a player is a pain in the ... you know what. And from what I've heard, if you as a DM want to get stuff, you have to scedule a RPGA-Game. Which I don't feel like.

I live in Russia, and have had no problems. I registered online, and was mailed my membership card. Remember, you only have to report playing the RPGA games, not actually play them. And only one of the participants needs to be an RPGA member.

I stand by my coment: I want to be able to buy additional SETTING-Material. In a Store.

So you'd prefer to pay for GH material rather than get it for free? Well, I guess if you've got money to burn... . That said, I wouldn't mind a GH sourcebook on the scale of FR's.

 

[Erik Mona]

As if it's some kind of contest.

Play what you like.

And really, with backlist PDFs and countless websites, I'm afraid that the genie is out of the bottle on all of these things. D&D could change corporate hands a dozen times to the point at which the game no longer exists in print, and people will still be playing Greyhawk.

It's been around for 30 years. It will outlive its creator and all of its original players. It will outlive all of us.

There's no reason to believe that Eberron will be any different.

The game is about making up fun stories with your friends. All you need is a core book to get the ball rolling. After that, the place is yours.

Forever.

--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dragon & Dungeon

 

[fanboy2000]

Well....

I hope you're right.

It's obvious that the designers took steps to make Eberron diffrent from Forgotten Realms.

Look at it like this:
The Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting details one contenent in a Geogrophy chapter 134 pages long.

The Eberron Campaign Setting details a whole world, focusing on one content in a Life in The World chapter 98 pages long. This chapter also has the history of the world and few other details like timekeeping and such.

Eberron is meant to be broader, more of a framework/toolkit approch. They mapped the whole world, but only in terms of basic geography. The details are left to the DM on purpose, not just because they want to sell you more books. Xendrik in particular is meant to be wide open for adventures and not intended to be detailed in whole at all. This gives DMs a location and a reason for un-raided ruins to be there, but dosen't lock them into specific plots/geography.

 

[Maldin]

....I'm afraid that the genie is out of the bottle on all of these things.
....It will outlive all of us.
....All you need is a core book to get the ball rolling. After that, the place is yours.

Forever.

Here, here! What Erik says!

There is such a HUGE amount of Greyhawk material available here and now, whether it is whats left on the store shelves, available as OOP downloads, or the HUNDREDS of great fan sites available ... Anyone, even brand new DMs, can start a Greyhawk campaign with as much detail and background as suits their DM style, and not just people like me who have been DMing Greyhawk for over 25 years.

For fan sites, try the www.canonfire.com hub site (many hundreds of articles!, not including the e-list archive), and the Greyhawk Adventures Webring at http://c.webring.com/hub?ring=greyhawk

Eberron, which is the new kid on the block, hasn't much fan stuff yet... but its got enough momentum now that by the time it falls by the corporate wayside, it almost certainly will. Just look at all the online material (and old OOP) available for even short-lived campaign worlds (compared to Greyhawk) like Spelljammer, Dark Sun and Planescape.

Erik is absolutely right... once you start in a campaign world, no matter what it is... its yours. Forever.
No corporate decision can cancel it or take it away. Neither can even the most vociferous "setting snobs".

Denis, aka "Maldin"

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Maldin's Greyhawk http://melkot.com
Check out the ton of cool Edition-independent stuff on my website:
New Spells, Magic Items, Campaign Notoriety, Artifacts, Kyuss, secrets of
the Twin Cataclysms, the Codex of the Infinite Planes, the Dreadwood,
the cities of Melkot, Greyhawk and Irongate, and much, much more!!

 

[Maldin]

OH!!! And waddya mean no current corporate support?
Erik has, and continues to put a huge amount of Greyhawk in Dungeon and Dragon Magazines.
Adventures, setting info, and other articles. And just look at those amazing poster maps!!

Denis, aka "Maldin"

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Maldin's Greyhawk http://melkot.com
Check out the ton of cool Edition-independent stuff on my website:
New Spells, Magic Items, Campaign Notoriety, Artifacts, Kyuss, secrets of
the Twin Cataclysms, the Codex of the Infinite Planes, the Dreadwood,
the cities of Melkot, Greyhawk and Irongate, and much, much more!![/QUOTE]

 

[Silverleaf]

Eberron is the new world. There will be another world after Eberron (should be next year) and so on.

Greyhawk is dead and we should all move on. It's just there for name's sake now.

Why keep buying books if you like Greyhawk. Just use Greyhawk...
I don't understand why you want to give Hasbro hard-earned money as well as control over the game world you play in. That's a completely alien thought process from my pov.