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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 7974089" data-attributes="member: 2629">The Manifest Echo and related text specifies the things you can do with the echoes - and that is it:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">As a free action command it to move up to 30 feet on your turn.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Switch places with it for 15 feet of movement.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">You can attack from either your location or the echo's space.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">You can make an OA with it using your reaction.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">You can make a few bonus attacks with the Unleash Incarnation ability.</li>
</ul>Later, the Echo Avatar, gives you increased range and the ability to see through the echo.&nbsp; Shadow Martyr allows you to eat an attack meant for someone else.&nbsp; Reclaim Potential gives you some bonus HPs, and Legion of One adds extra echoes.You can't use it to open doors.&nbsp; It can set off traps, although ones that deal no damage will generally be wasted on it.This is a fun little idea, but it is not overpowered.&nbsp; It, however, very evocative.&nbsp; An enemy minion that understands the ability might negate most of this subclass by standing around with a readied action to kill the duplicate as soon as it appears.&nbsp; It can also be problematic when fighting in a situation where damage is taken when something enters an aura or area of effect.At this time, I'd warrant that most of the PCS on Beyond using these subclasses are ones that people created to test them out.&nbsp; Their filters do not identify all of the &quot;fake PCs&quot; accurately.&nbsp; I wish they'd add an &quot;active&quot; click box to the character sheet that allowed you to filter to see only active PCs on the character page and made it easier for them to pull these stats.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 7974089, member: 2629"] The Manifest Echo and related text specifies the things you can do with the echoes - and that is it: [LIST] [*]As a free action command it to move up to 30 feet on your turn. [*]Switch places with it for 15 feet of movement. [*]You can attack from either your location or the echo's space. [*]You can make an OA with it using your reaction. [*]You can make a few bonus attacks with the Unleash Incarnation ability. [/LIST] Later, the Echo Avatar, gives you increased range and the ability to see through the echo. Shadow Martyr allows you to eat an attack meant for someone else. Reclaim Potential gives you some bonus HPs, and Legion of One adds extra echoes. You can't use it to open doors. It can set off traps, although ones that deal no damage will generally be wasted on it. This is a fun little idea, but it is not overpowered. It, however, very evocative. An enemy minion that understands the ability might negate most of this subclass by standing around with a readied action to kill the duplicate as soon as it appears. It can also be problematic when fighting in a situation where damage is taken when something enters an aura or area of effect. At this time, I'd warrant that most of the PCS on Beyond using these subclasses are ones that people created to test them out. Their filters do not identify all of the "fake PCs" accurately. I wish they'd add an "active" click box to the character sheet that allowed you to filter to see only active PCs on the character page and made it easier for them to pull these stats. [/QUOTE]

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