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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7974181" data-attributes="member: 18">Yeah, no. Sorry mate. I don't know if you've looked the at the subclass-specific spells yet, but there absolutely no possibility they went through any kind of &quot;wringer&quot; of a playtest, unless it was the same exact team which &quot;playtested&quot; Healing Spirit. And Manifest Echo is just wackily better than any other L3 Fighter stuff. Even the ways you can &quot;deal with it&quot; don't actually mess with the Echo Knight much, and would mess with an actual Fighter way more (regularly round-on-round damage auras, for example - and a real Fighter wouldn't cause an enemy to ready an action, wasting a monster's entire round for 1 damage to a non-entity, they'd cause the enemy to actually attack the Fighter, possibly with multiple attacks).But go look at the spells, and tell me again how this has been through a &quot;playtest wringer&quot;.Also no insult intended, but saying &quot;white room scenario&quot; without a demonstration of what is, in fact, the problem, has a near 1:1 correlation with &quot;I can't actually argue my case&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7974181, member: 18"] Yeah, no. Sorry mate. I don't know if you've looked the at the subclass-specific spells yet, but there absolutely no possibility they went through any kind of "wringer" of a playtest, unless it was the same exact team which "playtested" Healing Spirit. And Manifest Echo is just wackily better than any other L3 Fighter stuff. Even the ways you can "deal with it" don't actually mess with the Echo Knight much, and would mess with an actual Fighter way more (regularly round-on-round damage auras, for example - and a real Fighter wouldn't cause an enemy to ready an action, wasting a monster's entire round for 1 damage to a non-entity, they'd cause the enemy to actually attack the Fighter, possibly with multiple attacks). But go look at the spells, and tell me again how this has been through a "playtest wringer". Also no insult intended, but saying "white room scenario" without a demonstration of what is, in fact, the problem, has a near 1:1 correlation with "I can't actually argue my case". [/QUOTE]

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