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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7975025" data-attributes="member: 18">.........Quote me where I said they were broken.Come on. I'll wait.You won't be able to, because I said they were overpowered, not broken, explicitly! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> So way to agree with me in a fashion that looks like disagreement. I also have to ask: are you even fully reading my posts? I think that's a fair question given this is the second time you've responded to me in a way that suggests you are not!As for the rest of it, you seem to largely agree with my position. The Chronurgist is about as good as the Diviner (a very good subclass, arguably the best Wizard subclass, power-wise), maybe slightly behind, but fairly close, based on 2/6/10 etc. abilities alone. Then on top of that they have access to these badly-designed spells. You say a Diviner could make better use of some of them - probably right - but they can't access them.As for "don't use them!", don't worry, I won't! I never said I would, did I? What I said was "this stuff is overpowered" in response to a suggestion that it surely was not. You seem to broadly agree, or at least think that it's towards the very highest end of the power graph.Not sure what you're going on about re: three-card monte, but if you think a character who summons an illusion of themselves 60' away in front of a bunch of intelligent enemies and expect them to be perplexed should be treated as a "master illusionist", well, yeah I'm not going to do that.Also buddy you seem to be confusing Anakin Skywalker and Darth Maul. Anakin lost limbs, Maul lost his lower half.Hexblade/Pact of the Blade is pretty bad (even alone, Hexblade is bad - but Pact of the Blade alone is fine). I mean, I'm definitely not saying Echo Knight is the first or most overpowered thing in 5E. But it doesn't feel like it was the result of really hardcore playtesting or anything.Let's be clear that [USER=6920677]@Todd Roybark[/USER]  is the one who compared them originally, and you, [USER=2629]@jgsugden[/USER] and claimed they were "comparable", so that's quite a thing to say.Anything else is responses to that.</blockquote>

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