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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 8005734" data-attributes="member: 2629">There are flaws in what I said, yes.&nbsp; I should have said:* It is not a creature and can't make ability checks - no stealth, no acrobatics, no athletics, no perception, no initiative rolls.&nbsp; Only creatures make ability checks.&nbsp; It can't hide.&nbsp; It can't see or hear anything. [These are all correct].*&nbsp; If it is cut off from you, you can resummon it as a bonus action.&nbsp; [Which wasn't really a point worth making - I should have said nothing there.]Which hazards did you face in LMoP that you bypassed with this Shadow that were not passable with a jump or other mundane travel?Where was it an invulnerable assailant/combatant in LMoP for you? Also, as it can't see, if you can see the target for it to attack the target without guessing location/disadvantage, you're generally within sight.&nbsp; You might be hidden, but that is not a perfect defense. And if you go down...I tried it out as well.&nbsp; It was a solid, playable, evocative subclass - but not broken/way too powerful.&nbsp; The moon druid outclassed the Echo Night by a large degree.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 8005734, member: 2629"] There are flaws in what I said, yes. I should have said: * It is not a creature and can't make ability checks - no stealth, no acrobatics, no athletics, no perception, no initiative rolls. Only creatures make ability checks. It can't hide. It can't see or hear anything. [These are all correct]. * If it is cut off from you, you can resummon it as a bonus action. [Which wasn't really a point worth making - I should have said nothing there.]Which hazards did you face in LMoP that you bypassed with this Shadow that were not passable with a jump or other mundane travel? Where was it an invulnerable assailant/combatant in LMoP for you? Also, as it can't see, if you can see the target for it to attack the target without guessing location/disadvantage, you're generally within sight. You might be hidden, but that is not a perfect defense. And if you go down... I tried it out as well. It was a solid, playable, evocative subclass - but not broken/way too powerful. The moon druid outclassed the Echo Night by a large degree. [/QUOTE]

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