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Echo Knight is Wildemount's Most Popular Subclass
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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 8005775" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p>I've run and played in this module a total of four times (played once, run 3 times). </p><p></p><p>Attacking the moss is not supposed to activate it, and it is supposed to trigger <em>whenever</em> someone crosses it. Regardless, they could have just gone around it. In all four passes through the WEC I experienced, the PCs triggered the fungi. However, in none of them was the entire party impacted by the initial cloud. In one of the four games the PCs pushed through, while in the other three they went around. What did they access that was not accessible through mundane climbing? Anything? Climbing is a trivial task all by itself. </p><p> Glasstaff has never cast a spell. Fragile and low initiative... even with the shield spell he was killed before he went. However, had he charmed or held the fighter, the image would have been stopped.</p><p></p><p>Mormesk doesn't have spells, and his attack would kill the image if it hit... but given that it is a wraith and is so focused on snuffing life, as soon as it realized the echo was not alive it would likely have focused on another target. Mormesk was particularly effective in the games I DMed due to bad PC tactics. The scouting rogue ended up trapped in the closet and became a specter. A wounded sorcerer (maybe warlock? been a while) was critted and became a specter. </p><p></p><p>The Black Spider and his four allies pretty much followed the suggested tactics in the book. When I ran him, his first action was to use a suggestion spell to try to send the front line fighter away from the battle, then (returned) to invisibility and hid behind the spiders. He returned to visibility when there was a target that looked wounded enough that magic missile might finish them off. A suggestion on the fighter would have been just as effective. If he attacked the image, it would have wasted the spell, which is nice, but certainly not overpowered for a 3rd level prime ability of a subclass.</p><p></p><p>I went back and looked at your old posts on this thread. You were remembering that the image has no senses, right? If the fighter has total cover from the enemy, it often means they can't see the enemy. That means all attacks would need to guess the location and would be at disadvantage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 8005775, member: 2629"] I've run and played in this module a total of four times (played once, run 3 times). Attacking the moss is not supposed to activate it, and it is supposed to trigger [I]whenever[/I] someone crosses it. Regardless, they could have just gone around it. In all four passes through the WEC I experienced, the PCs triggered the fungi. However, in none of them was the entire party impacted by the initial cloud. In one of the four games the PCs pushed through, while in the other three they went around. What did they access that was not accessible through mundane climbing? Anything? Climbing is a trivial task all by itself. Glasstaff has never cast a spell. Fragile and low initiative... even with the shield spell he was killed before he went. However, had he charmed or held the fighter, the image would have been stopped. Mormesk doesn't have spells, and his attack would kill the image if it hit... but given that it is a wraith and is so focused on snuffing life, as soon as it realized the echo was not alive it would likely have focused on another target. Mormesk was particularly effective in the games I DMed due to bad PC tactics. The scouting rogue ended up trapped in the closet and became a specter. A wounded sorcerer (maybe warlock? been a while) was critted and became a specter. The Black Spider and his four allies pretty much followed the suggested tactics in the book. When I ran him, his first action was to use a suggestion spell to try to send the front line fighter away from the battle, then (returned) to invisibility and hid behind the spiders. He returned to visibility when there was a target that looked wounded enough that magic missile might finish them off. A suggestion on the fighter would have been just as effective. If he attacked the image, it would have wasted the spell, which is nice, but certainly not overpowered for a 3rd level prime ability of a subclass. I went back and looked at your old posts on this thread. You were remembering that the image has no senses, right? If the fighter has total cover from the enemy, it often means they can't see the enemy. That means all attacks would need to guess the location and would be at disadvantage. [/QUOTE]
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