ECL for Divine Rank 0?

[Jdvn1]

So the class levels give us a CR of 20, and the Divine Rank 0 apparently doesn't up the CR any.

Exactly my point. Also, since ECL=CR for the characters in the book, there's no LA. It does follow, since they are otherwise normal characters..

 

[Alzrius]

Exactly my point. Also, since ECL=CR for the characters in the book, there's no LA. It does follow, since they are otherwise normal characters..

It may have something to do with LA not being invented (as distinct from ECL) at the time the book was printed...heck, I'm not sure they even had ECL then.

Likewise, the idea that being a quasideity doesn't add to CR seems thin to me. It gives quite a few defenses, and you still have domains with powers and spell-like abilities you can use. It should have a CR adjustment.

 

[Jdvn1]

It may have something to do with LA not being invented (as distinct from ECL) at the time the book was printed...heck, I'm not sure they even had ECL then.

In that case, why wasn't it updated with everything else? I'm not saying I agree with it or that I like it, just that the rules seem to imply this.

I've played deities before (boy, that didnt' last long before we realize it was crazy), but never quasi-deities. Haven't had a chance to playtest quasideities.

Likewise, the idea that being a quasideity doesn't add to CR seems thin to me. It gives quite a few defenses, and you still have domains with powers and spell-like abilities you can use. It should have a CR adjustment.[/QUOTE]

 

[satori01]

I would go one further and say ECL does not equal CR.
A Drow Elf has a LA of +2, but a CR increase of + 1.

Thus a Drow Elf Fighter 2 NPC would have a CR of 3 and an ECL of 4 if used as a player character.

Moreover, I think we can all agree that giving a CR 20 creature a divine rank of 0 or even 1 may not effect the creatures CR by a signifiganat portion,( Book of Vile Darkness says as much when talking about giving the Archfiends divine rank), but in the hands of players is certainly worth something of a bump.

 

[saucercrab]

In that case, why wasn't it updated with everything else?

Because the 3.5 revision booklets are the suck? I mean, I just started going through this update booklet a few days ago, & it seemed way too brief. About as flimsy as the ELH one.

Moreover, I think we can all agree that giving a CR 20 creature a divine rank of 0 or even 1 may not effect the creatures CR by a signifiganat portion,( Book of Vile Darkness says as much when talking about giving the Archfiends divine rank), but in the hands of players is certainly worth something of a bump.

DvR 0, maybe, but when a deity jumps from 0 to 1, the divine bonus to most (all?) rolls is introduced, not to mention the first SDA is available. I'd say DvR 1 & higher would have to increase CR.