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ECL of Monsters Part III: Are Ogres ECL 8? The Adventures of Ghorgor.
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<blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 70112" data-attributes="member: 834"><p><strong>Re: Re: ECL of Monsters Part III: Are Ogres ECL 8? The Adventures of Ghorgor.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First of all, Ghorgor doesn't only fight. He paints, too. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>Secondly, if a player wants to be <em>useful</em> out of combat instead of just roleplaying along, he shouldn't play a fighter at all, no matter the race.</p><p></p><p>You should choose the monster you want to play as you choose your class. You want a skilled class? Play a rogue. You want a skilled monster? Play a fey, for example. They get their intelligence score (not modifier) multiplied X 3 in skill points. </p><p></p><p>Let's say you play a Dryad (freed from her tree); +4 to int, you could put a 16 and obtain a 20. That gives you 62 skill points (+2 for an extra HD) and very sweet monster "class" skill. Not to mention spell like abilities like charm persons and talk to plants. useful enough out of combat for you?</p><p></p><p>Personnaly, I don't mind low skill PCs. For example, Mal Malenkirk, my namesake, is a PC fighter that is tottaly inept at anything that doesn't involve fighting or fleeing. That doesn't stop him from conceiving harebrained money making scheme and making an arse out of himself at any court he attends. He is even more fun to play out of combat than into one. </p><p></p><p>If I wanted Mal to be good at anything else, I'd have chosen another class. Same goes for deciding to play Ghorgor. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think that it would. I feel this would leave him with too little HP. This is already his main weakness when compared to the human 11th level fighter. This would also lowers will and reflex saves by one points and he's also trailing a little behind in that department. </p><p></p><p>For the moment ECL 8 feels good.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mal Malenkirk, post: 70112, member: 834"] [b]Re: Re: ECL of Monsters Part III: Are Ogres ECL 8? The Adventures of Ghorgor.[/b] First of all, Ghorgor doesn't only fight. He paints, too. :D Secondly, if a player wants to be [i]useful[/i] out of combat instead of just roleplaying along, he shouldn't play a fighter at all, no matter the race. You should choose the monster you want to play as you choose your class. You want a skilled class? Play a rogue. You want a skilled monster? Play a fey, for example. They get their intelligence score (not modifier) multiplied X 3 in skill points. Let's say you play a Dryad (freed from her tree); +4 to int, you could put a 16 and obtain a 20. That gives you 62 skill points (+2 for an extra HD) and very sweet monster "class" skill. Not to mention spell like abilities like charm persons and talk to plants. useful enough out of combat for you? Personnaly, I don't mind low skill PCs. For example, Mal Malenkirk, my namesake, is a PC fighter that is tottaly inept at anything that doesn't involve fighting or fleeing. That doesn't stop him from conceiving harebrained money making scheme and making an arse out of himself at any court he attends. He is even more fun to play out of combat than into one. If I wanted Mal to be good at anything else, I'd have chosen another class. Same goes for deciding to play Ghorgor. I think that it would. I feel this would leave him with too little HP. This is already his main weakness when compared to the human 11th level fighter. This would also lowers will and reflex saves by one points and he's also trailing a little behind in that department. For the moment ECL 8 feels good. [/QUOTE]
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