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<blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 70190" data-attributes="member: 834">Re: Re: Re: Re: ECL of Monsters Part III: Are Ogres ECL 8?&nbsp; The Adventures of Ghorgor.The 11th level human fighter has 114 HP.&nbsp; As you can see, he's got the edge over Ghorgor in that department.&nbsp; And it could worse because he isn't a typical tank.&nbsp; &nbsp; Ghorgor the fighter is balanced with my party, IMO.&nbsp; Ghorgor the wizard would be a joke.&nbsp; A 3rd level wizard with a -4 racial penalty to intelligence adventuring in an 11th level party?&nbsp; The result would be obvious.ECL is clearly balanced with the best possible match up in mind.&nbsp; Ogre can only be viable fighter and barbarian.&nbsp; I guess you could lower his ECL if the player wanted to select another class than the best fit.&nbsp; But do you give an edge to an Half-orc sorcerer to compensate for the fact that he clearly isn't as good as a human one?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mal Malenkirk, post: 70190, member: 834"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Re: ECL of Monsters Part III: Are Ogres ECL 8? The Adventures of Ghorgor.[/b] The 11th level human fighter has 114 HP. As you can see, he's got the edge over Ghorgor in that department. And it could worse because he isn't a typical tank. Ghorgor the fighter is balanced with my party, IMO. Ghorgor the wizard would be a joke. A 3rd level wizard with a -4 racial penalty to intelligence adventuring in an 11th level party? The result would be obvious. ECL is clearly balanced with the best possible match up in mind. Ogre can only be viable fighter and barbarian. I guess you could lower his ECL if the player wanted to select another class than the best fit. But do you give an edge to an Half-orc sorcerer to compensate for the fact that he clearly isn't as good as a human one? [/QUOTE]

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