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<blockquote data-quote="Xeovke" data-source="post: 70891" data-attributes="member: 1203">Dead even?!?1)He has a +8BAB+5Str-1size=+12 to hit versus a&nbsp; +9BAB, so that's a +3 to hit difference which is kind of not negligeable.2)Even if the fighter uses reach weapons, so the fighter's weapon is MUCH easier to sunder (he has less HP). 3)The ogre has a +7 bonus (relative to the fighter) to disarm an&nbsp; opponent. 4)The ogre has a +7 bonus (relative to the fighter using a reach wpn hence large and 2HW) aigainst being disarmed by his opponent.&nbsp; 5)The ogre's damage is *MUCH* greater 2d8+(1.5 (&quot;base&quot; Str bonus+5)) aigainst the fighter's 2d4 or 1d10+(1.5 &quot;base&quot; Str bonus)+2 (maybe wpn Spec). approx 16 or 17+1.5Str vs 7+1.5Str, which is a big difference6)Since trip attacks are purely Str+size modifier checks he will have a +9 over the fighter, which is very good. 7)He has more HP, maybe&nbsp; &quot;only&quot; +12 at this level, but this difference will only increase since he has a better Con.8)The Ogre can use an (Huge) halberd, to increase his reach tooIf this is almost dead even, then I suppose the Tarrasque should not be too wrong at ECL+20Xeovke</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xeovke, post: 70891, member: 1203"] Dead even?!? 1)He has a +8BAB+5Str-1size=+12 to hit versus a +9BAB, so that's a +3 to hit difference which is kind of not negligeable. 2)Even if the fighter uses reach weapons, so the fighter's weapon is MUCH easier to sunder (he has less HP). 3)The ogre has a +7 bonus (relative to the fighter) to disarm an opponent. 4)The ogre has a +7 bonus (relative to the fighter using a reach wpn hence large and 2HW) aigainst being disarmed by his opponent. 5)The ogre's damage is *MUCH* greater 2d8+(1.5 ("base" Str bonus+5)) aigainst the fighter's 2d4 or 1d10+(1.5 "base" Str bonus)+2 (maybe wpn Spec). approx 16 or 17+1.5Str vs 7+1.5Str, which is a big difference 6)Since trip attacks are purely Str+size modifier checks he will have a +9 over the fighter, which is very good. 7)He has more HP, maybe "only" +12 at this level, but this difference will only increase since he has a better Con. 8)The Ogre can use an (Huge) halberd, to increase his reach too If this is almost dead even, then I suppose the Tarrasque should not be too wrong at ECL+20 Xeovke [/QUOTE]

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