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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 74078" data-attributes="member: 834">I doubt that an orc should be considered ECL 0.  It isn't balanced compared to an Half-Orc.  They get an additional +2 to strenght that is balanced only by a -2 to WIS.  If they are accepted as ECL 0 in a campaign, I suspect that the Half-orcs won't see much action.[EDIT]Orks are a PC race at ECL 0 in the Dragonstar setting.  But that's gun toting campaign.  An assault blaster can deal up to 16D10 of damage on a critical hit and has a range increment of 200 feet!  Strenght almost becomes a dump stat in a campaign where such weapons are available[/EDIT]It's a game and it needs rules and guidelines.  Does the poison table on p.80 of the DMG step on the toes of the DM by giving DCs and damage to various poisons? Perhaps we'll get that.  Tooth&Claw isn't out yet.Really?  That's harsh.  Is your team filled with selfish chaotic evil PCs?  Mal Malenkirk, my namesake, is a Chaotic Neutral fighter and yet he'd never let a friend down during a fight, even if that friend is a bumbling ogre that messes up during any given investigation. I hope you don't mind my saying so, but designers shouldn't take into account the peculiar playing style of your group when balancing ECL.</blockquote>