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Message: <blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 76861" data-attributes="member: 96">Hold on a sec, now.  The Ogre gets a free feat from his hit dice, and a fighter feat for being a first level fighter, and a feat for being a first level character.  Where's the other 2/3 of his feats?Also, he gets his skill points for being an ogre as well as his skill points for being a fighter. (IIRC you can't go below 1 skill point/level)I also note that you give the human a spiked chain.  Why aren't you equipping the ogre exactly the same as the human?  Isn't that comparing a non-optimized character to an optimized character?  Either both should have greatsword or both should have spiked chain.Keep in mind that if the ogre uses even a human-sized spiked chain he gets extra reach, and if he uses an ogre sized spiked chain he gets even more!Oh, and as for the polymorph thing - you could polymorph the ogre into a troll just as easily!  I don't have the latest revision of the polymorph spell in front of me, but isn't there something in there about only being able to be polymorphed into something one size larger than you?  If so, then the ogre has many more forms to choose from...(I think I'll be a storm giant today!)J</blockquote>