ECL's for a Nymph ?

[thundershot]

Oh geez... I just made a note similar to this in the general folder... I should have looked here first.. (actually, I should have posted mine here.. arg)

Ah well...

As for reincarnation, you don't get the extra HD, but I would say you'd have to take the ECL hit somehow...

What I've done before (like we're doing right now with a weretiger) is lower the power until the time comes when the character has built up the XP to make up for the new ECL.

Nymph is +12, so say she won't get her full supernatural or spell-like abilities until she reaches that XP plateau. Note, however, she won't be going up in level, either. It's a long hard road.

I would probably say that the powers slowly manifest throughout the level, and get full power of nymph at what it should be (the full +12)


Chris

 

[Artoomis]

If you use reincarnate as written then ECL does not apply at all. Note the italized portions of the quote below.

A character reincarnated recalls the majority of his former life and form. He retains his Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores, as well as any class abilities or skills he formerly possessed. His class, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, and hit points are unchanged. Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores depend partly on his new body. First eliminate the character’s racial adjustments (since he is no longer of his previous race) and then apply the adjustments found below. The character’s level is reduced by 1. (If the character was 1st level, his new Constitution score is reduced by 1.)

It’s quite possible for the change in the character’s ability scores to make it difficult for him to pursue his previous character class. If this happens, the character is well advised to become a multiclass character.

The new incarnation is determined on the following table or by DM choice.

<table snipped>

Some bodies may make it impossible for the reincarnated character to use some of his class abilities. For example, a caster reincarnated as a hawk can’t cast spells with somatic components because he doesn’t have hands. The reincarnated character does gain any powers or abilities associated with his new form, including forms of movement and speeds, natural armor, natural attacks, etc. A humanoid reincarnated into an animal body can speak the languages it formerly knew and is a magical beast.

So, no nymph powers at all, thus ECL does not apply at all.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Artoomis, re-read the part you put in bold:

The reincarnated character does gain any powers or abilities associated with his new form, including forms of movement and speeds, natural armor, natural attacks, etc.

You do get the powers. That's why the sticky problem regarding ECLs.

 

[Plane Sailing]

* she now gains XP as 15th level character (she has 41.000 XP aprox.)

* so until she reach 120.000 XP no level up (ouch !). This will let the others players equal his characters class (we gains XP as lower level classes). Our master has employed this system before because the party was not even in levels.

The players agree (me included). What is your opinion ?

I think you may be misunderstanding the way that ECL works - forgive me if I'm wrong!

She currently has 41000xp, and is presumably 9th going on 10th. normally she would need 9000 xp to reach 10th level. If she has an ECL of 15 (via the +6 ECl modifier) then she needs 15,000xp to reach 10th level instead. To reach 11th level she will need another 16,000, to reach 12th level she will need an extra 17,000.

It is fully described in Forgotten Realms. ECL doesn't mean that you don't get any new benefits until you hit the "ECL modified level" and then continue as normal, it means that your "target xp" for the next level is always +x,000 more than it would be if you were an ECL +0 race.

Cheers

 

[rankarrog]

Normally, I don't use ECLs in combination with Reincarantion, mostly because of the randomness of the spell.

If I'd intend to use ECL's, I would lower the given ECLs, because the character allready loosed a level, the character does not gain the extra HD/Skills which are allready in the ECl, and does not gain any mental abilities changed (which might be a big point in the Nymphs ECL because of (Int+6,wis+6,Cha+6)).


BTW1: Blinding/Unearthly beauty might be a strong ability, but given friendly fire it's more fun for the DM in first place than for the players.
What would really bother me at a nymph would be the following sentece: "They can also replicate druid spells as 7th-level casters (save DC 13+ spell level)." (Thats a pretty fair trade for a level lost in the reincarantion process isn't it?)

BTW2: The Sage sayed in an old Dragon(sorry can't say which, got to be the issuse with psionics but I'm not sure, nor do I have it at hand) that it's best to handle Reincarante, as a raisedead+Polymorph other spell. The question was something akin to "My character has been a Halfling Fighter10/Rog1, now he's an elf, do I need to pay extra XP because of multiclassing"

 

[Henrix]

BTW2: The Sage sayed in an old Dragon(sorry can't say which, got to be the issuse with psionics but I'm not sure, nor do I have it at hand) that it's best to handle Reincarante, as a raisedead+Polymorph other spell. The question was something akin to "My character has been a Halfling Fighter10/Rog1, now he's an elf, do I need to pay extra XP because of multiclassing"

I would also consider treating the new body as if it had been polymorphed, i.e. the character gains no supernatural abilities.
Thus, no Blinding or Unearthly Beauty, and no spell-like abilities. No problem, no ECL.
Boring, but simple.

But I'd discuss it carefully with my group, and in particular the player involved, first.

 

[thundershot]

Maybe this is why Nymph isn't on the list of reincarnatable creatures...... just a thought, maybe?

 

[Artoomis]

Lord Pendragon - thanks. I put in the word "not" where it didn't belong.

Well, that just reinforces the idea that the DM really should choose what happens and not let it be totally random.

 

[Henrix]

Maybe this is why Nymph isn't on the list of reincarnatable creatures...... just a thought, maybe?

Duh! I obviously failed my spot obviuos!
As DM you could of course rule it as other, but, please, make an easier choice, I'd say.