{Eden Studios} Fields of Blood Second printing coming soon

johnsemlak said:
Does someone know the situation with Amazon and this book? Eden Studios have stated that they are not shipping to Amazon due to a dispute. However, Amazon still claims to have the book, which "Usually ships in 24 hours". A poster above claims to have received it.

Now, I assume that any Amazon order would be the first printing in any case, correct?

I preordered this book and Green Ronin's Book of Fiends back in November or so, and the shipment landed only last week, although the Green Ronin book appeared to be the hold up.

My guess is that if Amazon says they have it in stock, you can order it. The Amazon copy is likely the first printing.
 

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Ki Ryn said:
Well hey, as long as those good rules aren't in chapters 3 or 5, maybe I'll pick up a copy! :D

Unless you're a publisher, what difference does it make?

It isn't as if Joe Gamer isn't allowed to READ Chapters 3 and 5.

Ranger REG said:
Sounds like you're alleging that the copyrighted material in chapters three and five are not original but derived from SRD because it contains OGC terms. You have got to present more evidence than that.

HUH?


Wulf
 
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Wulf,

<<I don't want you to feel like I am picking on you, by the way. I understand it would be a simple matter to ask permission, and it sounds as if Eden is amenable to granting it, but I like a certain amount of clarity in the use of the OGL.>>

And I don't mean to give the impression that we are infallible or have all the answers, or that your points are invalid. We had a definite goal with respect to our OGC declaration and have tied to accomplish that in the way we felt was best.

Thanks for being interested enough in our product to ask the questions.

Alex Jurkat
Eden Studios
www.edenstudios.net
 

Wulf Ratbane said:
waht difference does it make?
It makes a difference because I am writing an OGL game and am in need of some mass combat rules. But I don't care to ask permission, and I really don't care to tiptoe around some rules that are clearly dirivative of SRD material and yet are not marked open content.

If there is even a 0.01% chance of legal hassles, I'll just go elsewhere - simple as that. They can keep their closed chapters, and their whole dang book for that matter.

Now I can appreciate how you want to defend these guys after stirring up this hornet's nest, but really I think the issues have been clearly stated and it doesn't call for this sort of persitent attack on each response I make. Last word to you if you feel the need.
 


Ki Ryn said:
If there is even a 0.01% chance of legal hassles, I'll just go elsewhere - simple as that. They can keep their closed chapters, and their whole dang book for that matter.
You're kidding me, right?

The moment you use the license like the OGL, there WILL be a chance of legal hassle. Which is why many have stressed that you should get a lawyer.
 

Ki Ryn said:
It makes a difference because I am writing an OGL game and am in need of some mass combat rules. But I don't care to ask permission, and I really don't care to tiptoe around some rules that are clearly dirivative of SRD material and yet are not marked open content.
To briefly hijack this thread, you can always take a look at the mass combat rules presented in Bastion Press' Oathbound: Arena, which are open content. While not as in depth as Eden's or Malhavoc's rules, they function quite nicely and meet most user's needs. :)
 

I was actually going to recommend Arena's mass combat system. While Arena lacks a realm system like in Fields of Blood, it does have a pretty decent mass combat system, and Bastion is just about the most generous and clear company around when it comes to open content.
 


I must admit to have been taken back by this... Of the systems I have, I did (I still!) want to use this as the basis for my own system (expanded by my own views and a little bit of kit bashing from other systems). However, this does pose a quandry.

For instance, what we have is a declaration that includes the names of mechanics as OGC while those mechanics themselves aren't (and some folks think the opposite is a problem...?).

Now, I've a feeling that this is part of the idea of allowing Fields of Blood to be used by other publishers while retaining the key points of the system as a non-reproducible item. However, I think the short fall is that doing so requires actually contacting Eden Studios for permission.

To clarify my meaning, what this product needed was something akin to a Goodies License; state clearly that the statistic/mechanical components are OGC but that all text isn't, but allow a provision that others using the product may add "Uses the mass combat rules from Fields of Blood by Eden Studios" on the cover, back cover, title page, or whatever (working title: A Co-Adaptability License, as this is the condition of the OGL, found in Section 7, that this limited license is bypassing, which Section 7 normally allows by "another, independant agreement").

This would have removed any doubt on the issue; Rather than leaving everyone scratching their heads going, "huh..? I can't use this..?", they are instead seeing a set up that mirrors the Ship Design Codes from Traveler described earlier.

I do see what Eden is trying to do here, and there's some degree of merit to it, although I think the handling of it is off-target.

1. The mechanics in the two chapters are excluded as OGC, where a "Mechanics are OGC, all other text isn't" is likely what you wanted.

2. Not stating intent leaves the reader wondering exactly what you were trying to do (possibly drawing the wrong conclusion or simply washing their hands of it for being too vague or ambiguous, as an earlier post indicates).

3. Assuming that an OGC re-user does determine your intent (and as an OGC re-user, I wasn't sure until I read this thread and, obviously, I'm not the only one), he must contact you for permission when it is your intention to grant that permission to anyone that asks (or, at least, this thread gives the impression that it is).

That said, I suggest that perhaps future reprints address these points of confusion and redundancy, with a web-page addition at Eden explaining the desired intention for the previous and current print-runs, possibly even providing the [Co-Adaptability License] described above.

To this, you might even consider an icon or logo that a product can include to indicate the application/requirement of Fields of Blood (akin to M&M's superlink).

(Hoping this post was as helpful/suggestive as it was critical... :uhoh: )
 

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