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<blockquote data-quote="3catcircus" data-source="post: 7966757" data-attributes="member: 16077"><p>I disagree - it <em>is</em> overpower along with a glut of options. There is <em>no</em> way that WotC ever play-tested every possible combination of options from all of their supplements and too many DMs were unwilling or unable to Rule Zero supplements.</p><p></p><p>It <em>also</em> didn't help when they started taking campaign setting-specific options and importing them into non-campaign supplements. Not that <em>those</em> were necessarily overpowered, but it introduced the implicit "it's ok to use stuff never intended to be mixed-and-matched" that made it so hard for DMs to say no. "No - you can't play a Warforged with levels in the Nar Demonbinder PrC. This campaign is set in Kalamar." Or multiple versions of the same thing. Purple Dragon Knight from Player's Guide to Faerun or from Complete Warrrior? A savvy player will argue that since it is in Complete Warrior it can be used in any campaign. A DM needs to be savvy enough to see the prerequisites, note that membership in the Purple Dragons is one of them, and then declare it not allowed in his/her non-Faerun campaign. </p><p></p><p>That, I think, is when 3.x jumped the shark - when they started recycling content in different products. I'm fine with the idea that they recycle content from a 3.0 product in a 3.5 product, if it needs to be updated. That same example of the Purple Dragon Knight? They added a requirement (Cormyr as home region or Knowledge (Cormyr local) 8 ranks) and added two skills to the class skills list (Knowledge (Cormyr local) and Knowledge (tactics)). But when they put it into the Complete Warrior? They went ahead and removed the requirement for knowledge or home region (not that big a deal) and raised the BAB prereq from +4 to +5, but also they changed the Leadership prereq to Negotiator, which removed the pre-req of being at least 6th level (Leadership's prereq). So - you could potentially have a PC take this PrC a level earlier than originally intended.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="3catcircus, post: 7966757, member: 16077"] I disagree - it [I]is[/I] overpower along with a glut of options. There is [I]no[/I] way that WotC ever play-tested every possible combination of options from all of their supplements and too many DMs were unwilling or unable to Rule Zero supplements. It [I]also[/I] didn't help when they started taking campaign setting-specific options and importing them into non-campaign supplements. Not that [I]those[/I] were necessarily overpowered, but it introduced the implicit "it's ok to use stuff never intended to be mixed-and-matched" that made it so hard for DMs to say no. "No - you can't play a Warforged with levels in the Nar Demonbinder PrC. This campaign is set in Kalamar." Or multiple versions of the same thing. Purple Dragon Knight from Player's Guide to Faerun or from Complete Warrrior? A savvy player will argue that since it is in Complete Warrior it can be used in any campaign. A DM needs to be savvy enough to see the prerequisites, note that membership in the Purple Dragons is one of them, and then declare it not allowed in his/her non-Faerun campaign. That, I think, is when 3.x jumped the shark - when they started recycling content in different products. I'm fine with the idea that they recycle content from a 3.0 product in a 3.5 product, if it needs to be updated. That same example of the Purple Dragon Knight? They added a requirement (Cormyr as home region or Knowledge (Cormyr local) 8 ranks) and added two skills to the class skills list (Knowledge (Cormyr local) and Knowledge (tactics)). But when they put it into the Complete Warrior? They went ahead and removed the requirement for knowledge or home region (not that big a deal) and raised the BAB prereq from +4 to +5, but also they changed the Leadership prereq to Negotiator, which removed the pre-req of being at least 6th level (Leadership's prereq). So - you could potentially have a PC take this PrC a level earlier than originally intended. [/QUOTE]
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