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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8458559" data-attributes="member: 84112">problem players have been problem players since at least the late 80's... I would be SHOCKED to hear that in 1979 they were not present already... Having said that the internet (for all the good it does) has magnified some of it. I think I still run into problems with throw back games too, and I will with new games (8th edition D&D wont have less problem players). I will never forget the first time I heard (and yes it was heard at a table at Gen Con) "Peasant rail gun"I will never forget the look on my buddies face when I brought a 20+page print out and put it down and asked "Do you want to hear the most powerful kobold ever?" (by then I was into the op boards for fun)having said that, I want to share what I think is the worst gamer story ever... and it comes in 2 parts1) I sat to play a 2e (they called it 3e, combat and tactics, skills and power and a bunch of other option books) in mid 90s. The game had a binder of house rules... some where basic, some was a new homebrew class (heck I stole some of there ideas for years) and I skimmed them... then I asked why a few times, I was told "Because of ART!!" I didn't know Arthur yet though...  SO I sat and rolled my stats and got really good ones, and thought I would try a fighter/mage/theif... so I asked "Can I be a half elf?" and got 3 players and the DM all stop and scream no... what BS are you trying for...  then the DM calmed down and asked "What kind of half elf?" I didn't understand... until "Because ART" A few years earlier Art had said "Gonna make a half elf" and the DM said OKAY, but then Art made a half drow half deep dragon with a bunch of books... made her a necromancer and took necromancer boons from another book... and then claimed "You said I could not my fault you didn't ask more"2) that DM sat to play at my table... His character sheet (he had made before game at home I might add) was all covered in bad writting... I knew something was the matter he never scibbled this bad.  I got down to the notes and it was such a mess I asked "What is this?" His answer was "That's elven" I just sighed and kept going assuming he meant the character knew elven...  first fight he pulls out a Vorpal Long sword... and explains he wrote in elven (tolkeen not even D&D) vorpral sword and I was stuck cause I couldn't take back approval of a sheet... then he got mad when I laughed and said "Sure I can"that whole group (and others I meet) didn't have any good faith, they were full of trouble players I have long since learned to avoid... and none of them were on a TSR website I promise...</blockquote>

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