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<blockquote data-quote="GrimCo" data-source="post: 9254846" data-attributes="member: 7044462"><p>It breaks game through action economy. LV5 Cleric can have 10 skeletons for paltry sum of 500 gp. Thats 10 2hd monsters with move and attack action each turn. While cleric still has his turn for casting something else or getting up close and personal. Plus your other party members ( including rogue with 10 additional friendlies for that sweet flanking bonus and sneak attack). Turn/rebuke is not that good since it runs on CHA which is usually dump stat for Clerics. Yes, fighter with Great Cleave can chop 2-3 of your minions. And that is one turn he used to not attack your wizard. AoE, same stuff. Trust me, i played enough games with both necromancer clerics and wizards in party (one usually raises cannon fodder, other raises more powerful creatures). Using grid and minis and exploiting terrain to gain good positioning you can use them to nice effect since commanding them what to do doesn't cost you. Also, you are describing scenario where you go against enemies with player classes. Usually PCs go against monsters. </p><p></p><p>If DM's first response is to limit access to spell component, than you know it's broken enough. </p><p></p><p>Wizards, high level at that, are broken enough as is. You don't really need to go for splatbook shenanigans. </p><p></p><p>Pets, summons, anything that gives you action economy advantage is at least somewhat broken.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GrimCo, post: 9254846, member: 7044462"] It breaks game through action economy. LV5 Cleric can have 10 skeletons for paltry sum of 500 gp. Thats 10 2hd monsters with move and attack action each turn. While cleric still has his turn for casting something else or getting up close and personal. Plus your other party members ( including rogue with 10 additional friendlies for that sweet flanking bonus and sneak attack). Turn/rebuke is not that good since it runs on CHA which is usually dump stat for Clerics. Yes, fighter with Great Cleave can chop 2-3 of your minions. And that is one turn he used to not attack your wizard. AoE, same stuff. Trust me, i played enough games with both necromancer clerics and wizards in party (one usually raises cannon fodder, other raises more powerful creatures). Using grid and minis and exploiting terrain to gain good positioning you can use them to nice effect since commanding them what to do doesn't cost you. Also, you are describing scenario where you go against enemies with player classes. Usually PCs go against monsters. If DM's first response is to limit access to spell component, than you know it's broken enough. Wizards, high level at that, are broken enough as is. You don't really need to go for splatbook shenanigans. Pets, summons, anything that gives you action economy advantage is at least somewhat broken. [/QUOTE]
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