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Message: <blockquote data-quote="VHawkwinter" data-source="post: 9787877" data-attributes="member: 7040136">Ah. My comments were less about isolated balance and more about my general thoughts on quality. Though some of the splat stuff is notoriously busted too. Stuff in Serpent Kingdoms that enables Punpun for instance.I don't entirely disagree. The later books did have classes closer to the middle of those tier lists, and I think they overtuned spellcasting in general from the outset (too many spells per day in particular), some of the spells are just too good in their 3e rewrite, particularly with how often you can use them, and fighter and rogue and monk are just not as good party members.But you could get some crazy busted stuff with some of those splats that were not playtested or scrutinised enough. Some of it was busted when combined with PHB classes like Nightsticks and Divine Meta magic Persist. I don't think PunPun needed anything special from the PHB though, IIRC it was self contained broken. But part of what you're observing could also be that most of the later classes have no content outside the book they came from. But those later classes are also typically full of encounter powers and other boardgamey gimmick mechanics (which are a matter of preference but they ruin it for me), and they lack the "D&Dness" those less balanced PHB classes have (which is the main appeal of playing D&D, again, for me). <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937.png" title="Person shrugging    :person_shrugging:" data-shortname=":person_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></blockquote>

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