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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desh-Rae-Halra" data-source="post: 6358029" data-attributes="member: 81852">I'll throw this out there. I get that a TPK should be a possibility, but I would say with any death, lets make it meaningful to the story. I am not advocating that characters be immune to death.I dont know about the module being discussed, but was there another obvious choice?Would it have been more fun/smart if the "heroes" said "Screw that, I'm not going up on the castle wall" and just let the Dragon wipe out tons of NPCs while they cower in a basement somewhere? That doesnt sound like fun to me. Seriously, what was their best option knowing that 1 attack could kill them all?It would be more fitting if the characters (or even an NPC) said "I know I may be going to my death, but we must try and drive that Dragon off" and then made a clear suicidal attack in desperation. And even then, what is the resolution of the story. There are no more characters to experience it, so I guess what does it matter?Someone mentioned about learning a lesson from TPKs. Well what lesson would I learn if the plot drove me toward the 1 round TPK monster?I've had that happen, the Big NPCs say "your group must go fight X now, its the worlds only hope for survival" scenario. And when we arrive, the party gets dusted in 3 rounds. What did we learn, we shouldnt have trusted the plot or the NPCs steering it?I just dont get the attraction to TPKs, and I get that other people dig them, just start over and make a new character.  I am in a group where the DM constantly throws the party (Pathfinder) against CR +6 or more challenges, and is surprised when PCs bite the dust. However, once it has gone down that road, I will admit I would rather him just play it out than suddenly have the BBEG do something non-characteristic and let the PCs kill him.  (p.s., the CR+6 is not just BBEG, it could be a wandering  monster/ the "warm-up encounter"). For me, when all the PCs are dead, that's end of story/campaign.</blockquote>

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