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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6358800" data-attributes="member: 18">I get what you're saying, but you're wildly overstating your case, and ignoring the "death spiral" effect. There are situations where it's on the DM's choice in a very loosest, and false-est sense.Real example:One my early TPKs - 2E Party playing well, sticking together, good combat tactics. Encounter some goblins, who are established to be nasty little murderers by the scenario. I roll 4 natural 20s and every other attack they make is a hit. Damage rolls are likewise high. All frontline combatants and the only cleric are on negative HP in round 1 (admittedly at least one was down a few HP from earlier - but not many). Other PCs are injured. They have no reason to expect quarter, and keep fighting, but they go down.You say the odds of this happening to 4-5 character is "slim", well, Eirik, I've seen it happen, because that was 4 PCs down, 2 significantly injured (in a 7-person party) in 1 round.It's a factor of being L1. It's extremely unlikely to happen above 3 or so, sure, but let's not pretend it's even that unlikely at L1.</blockquote>