Eladrin, warlords, and unnecessary D&Disms

I get why people don't like Warlord as a class name. But honestly, I haven't heard any better alternatives offered. Leader just seems kind of bland to me. I guess fighter is too, but fighters is just classic since its been around for so long. I think warlord is ok.
 

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Dragonblade said:
I get why people don't like Warlord as a class name. But honestly, I haven't heard any better alternatives offered. Leader just seems kind of bland to me. I guess fighter is too, but fighters is just classic since its been around for so long. I think warlord is ok.

Yep. It's not a great name, but it's a tossup between it and marshal, and both would wind up having confusion issues anyway.

Brad
 


Dragonblade said:
I get why people don't like Warlord as a class name. But honestly, I haven't heard any better alternatives offered. Leader just seems kind of bland to me. I guess fighter is too, but fighters is just classic since its been around for so long. I think warlord is ok.

I don't understand it, honestly. A warlord is simply a guy who tells warriors what to do. There's no implied experience. It's a job title, like Fighter or Wizard. It's like a bunch of 18-year old infantry privates led by an 18-year old ROTC lieutenant. They're all 1st level, but one of them was trained in leadership instead of infantry. That's the D&D Warlord.

Would it help if they had named the class "Captain"? I'd prefer it, if only to decrease the number of classes that start with "W" and remove ambiguity about the class abbreviation "WAR".
 

rounser said:
It sounds like it's from a specific world, though, in a way that "elf" doesn't. D&D is many worlds, and the implied setting should cater to the construction of many worlds.

Then I guess we should drop real-world named stuff, since it sounds like it's from Germany (tiefling; derived from the German "teufel") or the Mediterranean (minotaur; "the bull of Minos"). Don't want anything that sounds that specific to confuse people, do we?
 

Zaruthustran said:
I don't understand it, honestly. A warlord is simply a guy who tells warriors what to do. There's no implied experience. It's a job title, like Fighter or Wizard. It's like a bunch of 18-year old infantry privates led by an 18-year old ROTC lieutenant. They're all 1st level, but one of them was trained in leadership instead of infantry. That's the D&D Warlord.

To me if someone says the warlord is coming...I expect the guy the king hired to run his entire army and conquer the world.

And before they chose that name for a class in DnD....didn't most of us?
 

Then I guess we should drop real-world named stuff, since it sounds like it's from Germany (tiefling; derived from the German "teufel") or the Mediterranean (minotaur; "the bull of Minos"). Don't want anything that sounds that specific to confuse people, do we?
That's a nonsensical argument.

I've already said that mythology should preferably be the basis for stuff in the core, and where else are you going to get your mythology? Mars? Where did swords and chainmail come from - Jupiter?

Where did "Eladrin" come from in mythology? Nowhere - it's a contrived, made up word, and looks and sounds like one, even if it is Tolkien-inspired. That would be okay except the core should preferably have fidelity to mythology, else it becomes useless in representing fantasy that's outside the scope of WOTC's particular taste in it. For the core classes and races, classic tropes are by far the best, and should be stuck to IMO. As I've mentioned earlier, it's a matter of exposure - "Eladrin" as a monster is fine, but it gets too much screentime as a core race with a name like that. Now every world has got them by default. That'd be okay if they just named it right.
A game system that called wizards "magic-users" for years can survive 10 warlords and 20 eladrins.
The difference is that "magic-user" is generic (to the point of blandness, which is why it got changed I suppose), but at least Gygax was smart enough to understand that a term like that fits any world. It explains itself. "Eladrin" is non-intuitive, doesn't explain itself and will not stand the test of time...and "warlord" is ridiculous. Adventurers sitting around discussing where they're going to get a new warlord after the other one died just doesn't read. Movie makers talk about "selling" a concept, and both of these are weak sauce in that department.
it sounds like it's from Germany (tiefling; derived from the German "teufel")
As an aside, cambion is a better fit than that term anyway.
 
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hexgrid said:
Tauren are an anthropomorphic bovine race from WoW, and despite this, WoW is a vastly more popular game than D&D.


That is because WoW does the imagining for you...all you need to do is click....and omit any semblance of a social life if you actually want to progress...people don't like to imagine...it's hard :(

And before I get flamed, I will admit, I have never played the game or any other online game (with the exception of EverQuest for 20 of the most (alternately) boring and frustrating minutes of my life). I have, however, watch several of my friends vanish for literally weeks at a time and the emerge umpteen levels higher and incapable of carrying on any conversation that does not relate in some way to their WoW character.

That said, some of the concepts in the game are really cool, and if I didn't enjoy other activities in my life and didn't spend 8 hours a day at a computer working, I would probably get a real kick out of it. Tauren does not sound like one of them.


On the main topic, I find warlord to be an obtuse name that does not sound in any way like what the previews of the class seem to indicate. But I also lack sufficient information to even begin to suggest another name.

DC
 

So, magic-user is generic and acceptable, and Eladrin means nothing and, because of that, has no staying power? Okay.

*checks thread*

And the OP continues to call Warforged robots, i see...

Well, i´m out of here.
 

DreamChaser said:
That is because WoW does the imagining for you...all you need to do is click....and omit any semblance of a social life if you actually want to progress...people don't like to imagine...it's hard :(

That statement isn't right. It isn't even wrong.
 

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