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<blockquote data-quote="lutecius" data-source="post: 4793691" data-attributes="member: 60332"><p>2e priest spheres and to a lesser degree wizard schools were an elegant system but needed a little tweaking (and balancing, like most thing pre-3e really). I think there was an article in Dragon that got the spheres just right.</p><p></p><p>3e streamlined a lot of things and brought many elegant rules. I particularly like:</p><p>- unified experience table and flexible multiclassing.</p><p>- balanced races (no more class restrictions and level limits)</p><p>- spontaneous casters (Vancian is the most inelegant magic system I know of and what made me drop d&d at some point. 3e brought me back)</p><p>I like the sorcerer but find psionics more elegant (the system, not the fluff)</p><p></p><p>As for attack rolls, I think 1e (attack tables) < 2e (thac0) < 3e (bab vs positive ac) < 4e (unified attack bonuses & defenses)</p><p>I also find 4e tiers more elegant than the 3e prestige classe mess. But these improvements are no match for my hatred of vancian fighting and the ubiquitous nonsensical effects.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. I don't like keeping track of modifiers either but the math should be simple enough not to require a table.</p><p></p><p>I don't know. That would probably be balanced but would also make ability scores abstract to the point of not meaning much "in game" (and imo 4e comes dangerously close.) Why have them at all then? That's redundant ie not elegant.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's pragmatic, not elegant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lutecius, post: 4793691, member: 60332"] 2e priest spheres and to a lesser degree wizard schools were an elegant system but needed a little tweaking (and balancing, like most thing pre-3e really). I think there was an article in Dragon that got the spheres just right. 3e streamlined a lot of things and brought many elegant rules. I particularly like: - unified experience table and flexible multiclassing. - balanced races (no more class restrictions and level limits) - spontaneous casters (Vancian is the most inelegant magic system I know of and what made me drop d&d at some point. 3e brought me back) I like the sorcerer but find psionics more elegant (the system, not the fluff) As for attack rolls, I think 1e (attack tables) < 2e (thac0) < 3e (bab vs positive ac) < 4e (unified attack bonuses & defenses) I also find 4e tiers more elegant than the 3e prestige classe mess. But these improvements are no match for my hatred of vancian fighting and the ubiquitous nonsensical effects. Agreed. I don't like keeping track of modifiers either but the math should be simple enough not to require a table. I don't know. That would probably be balanced but would also make ability scores abstract to the point of not meaning much "in game" (and imo 4e comes dangerously close.) Why have them at all then? That's redundant ie not elegant. That's pragmatic, not elegant. [/QUOTE]
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