Elemental Constructs -- UPDATED and FORMATED!
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When I've played around with them the last time (some month ago) and compared them to the summon monsters, I've got the feeling, that they're a wee bit more powerful - but then, higher level summons are generally more meat shield and flanker than real combatants, so I'm not sure if that's a bad thing.Nifft said:
At least that was my impression, so I don't know if that's 1) true, and 2) not just my memory.
Cheers, LT.
The differences are in the options. High level summon monster spells give you a ton of defensive powers (SR, DR, ect.) and generally useful spell-like's. (ex: summon monster 3 can summon a dretch, who can then cast stinking cloud, which is a 3rd level spell, just with a worse save.)
these elementals seem to be more in line of the summon nature's ally spells, meaning that they are more potent melee combatants, but have less versatility.
EX: You can summon a creature to cast wall of ice, even if you can't cast evocation spells.
I think these are a good medium, they are restrictive (more then summon monster) in both list of options and spell-likes, and they are less defensive, But they are more versatile then the summon natures ally, and much cooler from a themed caster perspective.
I think they are slightly weaker then the other summon lines on the whole, but for flavored casters (fire, ice ect) they could be effective. I would add more decent spell-likes that are flavorful. the wall spells would be excellent additions, gust of wind.
I also would love to see a shadow elemental list
. We already have spells that form shadow-stuff into real stuff, where is our shadow construct?
Side note: I feel these should be evocation spells in general, since they are molding energy sources to create a short term elemental, rather then conjuring full creatures or creating something from nothing.
these elementals seem to be more in line of the summon nature's ally spells, meaning that they are more potent melee combatants, but have less versatility.
EX: You can summon a creature to cast wall of ice, even if you can't cast evocation spells.
I think these are a good medium, they are restrictive (more then summon monster) in both list of options and spell-likes, and they are less defensive, But they are more versatile then the summon natures ally, and much cooler from a themed caster perspective.
I think they are slightly weaker then the other summon lines on the whole, but for flavored casters (fire, ice ect) they could be effective. I would add more decent spell-likes that are flavorful. the wall spells would be excellent additions, gust of wind.
I also would love to see a shadow elemental list
. We already have spells that form shadow-stuff into real stuff, where is our shadow construct? Side note: I feel these should be evocation spells in general, since they are molding energy sources to create a short term elemental, rather then conjuring full creatures or creating something from nothing.
I don't know if this thread is still active, but since I thought a shadow line would be interesting I made it. I'm not certain of the power level, but I didn't see anything I couldn't do more effectively with the summon monster line.
I was originally going to make this with the astral construct, but those abilities are less numerous so finding equivalents was harder.
I'm open to opinions/suggestions.
Shadow Elemental Summon list
Racial Bonuses: +4 Dex, Cold immunity
Menu A
Shadow Damage (EX): your Slam attacks do 1 point of Strength damage in addition to their normal damage, this doesn't stack with other "Shadow damage"
Shadow Concealment(Su): All attacks against you suffer a 20% miss chance
Weapon Finesse (Slam): Your Slam attacks are subject to the weapon finesse feat.
Fast Healing (Ex): While in Shadowy Area's Summon has Fast healing 1
Lesser BlindSight (EX): Summon has blightsight 10ft
Menu B
Blindsight (Ex): Summon has blindsight 60ft
Shadow Damage (EX): Summon's Slam attacks do 1d6 points of Strength damage in addition to their normal damage, this doesn't stack with other "Shadow damage"
Shadow Reach Ex: Summon's Reach increases by 5ft
Darkness (Su): Summon emanates DARKNESS as the spell. (CL 5th)
Improved Critical (Slam): Slam attacks Critical on a 19-20x2
Shadowy Dexerity: +4 enhancement bonus to Dexterity
Engulf: as a standard action Summon may simply move over another creature, up to 1 size category smaller then itself, and immediately deal damage equal to it's slam damage to that creature.
Chill Metal (su): Summon may cast chill metal, as the spell, at will
Mirror Image (Su): Summon may cast Mirror image on itself at will (CL5th)
Shadow Grasp: Summon Gains improved Grab.
Shadow Tentacles: Shadow Grows 2 shadowy tentacles that provide a +4 bonus on grapple checks.
Menu c
Shadow Damage (EX): your Slam attacks do 1d8 point of Strength damage in addition to their normal damage, this doesn't stack with other "Shadow damage"
Shadow Evocation (su): Summon may cast Shadow Evocation (9th level Caster) at will DC = 10 + 1/2HD + Wisdom Modifier
Endless Shadow (su): Shadow Emanates Complete darkness in a 20ft radius. The darkness obscures all sight, including darkvision, beyond 5 feet. A creature 5 feet away has concealment (attacks have a 20% miss chance). Creatures farther away have total concealment (50% miss chance, and the attacker cannot use sight to locate the target).
Shadow Conjuration (su): Summon May Cast Shadow Conjuration (9th level Caster) at will DC = 10 + 1/2HD + Wisdom Modifier
Invisible: Summon is invisible all the time, even if it attacks. this effect cannot be dispelled.
Shadowy Dexterity, Greater: +8 Enchantment bonus to Dexterity
Shadow Constrict: Summon can constrict opponents for damage equal to it's slam damage on a successful grapple check.
I was originally going to make this with the astral construct, but those abilities are less numerous so finding equivalents was harder.
I'm open to opinions/suggestions.
Shadow Elemental Summon list
Racial Bonuses: +4 Dex, Cold immunity
Menu A
Shadow Damage (EX): your Slam attacks do 1 point of Strength damage in addition to their normal damage, this doesn't stack with other "Shadow damage"
Shadow Concealment(Su): All attacks against you suffer a 20% miss chance
Weapon Finesse (Slam): Your Slam attacks are subject to the weapon finesse feat.
Fast Healing (Ex): While in Shadowy Area's Summon has Fast healing 1
Lesser BlindSight (EX): Summon has blightsight 10ft
Menu B
Blindsight (Ex): Summon has blindsight 60ft
Shadow Damage (EX): Summon's Slam attacks do 1d6 points of Strength damage in addition to their normal damage, this doesn't stack with other "Shadow damage"
Shadow Reach Ex: Summon's Reach increases by 5ft
Darkness (Su): Summon emanates DARKNESS as the spell. (CL 5th)
Improved Critical (Slam): Slam attacks Critical on a 19-20x2
Shadowy Dexerity: +4 enhancement bonus to Dexterity
Engulf: as a standard action Summon may simply move over another creature, up to 1 size category smaller then itself, and immediately deal damage equal to it's slam damage to that creature.
Chill Metal (su): Summon may cast chill metal, as the spell, at will
Mirror Image (Su): Summon may cast Mirror image on itself at will (CL5th)
Shadow Grasp: Summon Gains improved Grab.
Shadow Tentacles: Shadow Grows 2 shadowy tentacles that provide a +4 bonus on grapple checks.
Menu c
Shadow Damage (EX): your Slam attacks do 1d8 point of Strength damage in addition to their normal damage, this doesn't stack with other "Shadow damage"
Shadow Evocation (su): Summon may cast Shadow Evocation (9th level Caster) at will DC = 10 + 1/2HD + Wisdom Modifier
Endless Shadow (su): Shadow Emanates Complete darkness in a 20ft radius. The darkness obscures all sight, including darkvision, beyond 5 feet. A creature 5 feet away has concealment (attacks have a 20% miss chance). Creatures farther away have total concealment (50% miss chance, and the attacker cannot use sight to locate the target).
Shadow Conjuration (su): Summon May Cast Shadow Conjuration (9th level Caster) at will DC = 10 + 1/2HD + Wisdom Modifier
Invisible: Summon is invisible all the time, even if it attacks. this effect cannot be dispelled.
Shadowy Dexterity, Greater: +8 Enchantment bonus to Dexterity
Shadow Constrict: Summon can constrict opponents for damage equal to it's slam damage on a successful grapple check.
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