[ELH] Automatic Metamagic and 'Order'

[reiella]

For the Automatic Metamagic feats, when is the 'level' for the automatic aspect checked? At the spellcaster's choice (most likly the most optimum -ie before any metamagic)?

Is there any point to taking any of the Automatic Metamagic feats more than 3 times?

 

[kreynolds]

For the Automatic Metamagic feats, when is the 'level' for the automatic aspect checked? At the spellcaster's choice (most likly the most optimum -ie before any metamagic)?

I don't understand your question. Could you clarify?

Is there any point to taking any of the Automatic Metamagic feats more than 3 times?

If you have 10th, 11th, and 12th level spell slots, taking Automatic Quicken Spell a 4th time will quicken those slots. It just goes up and up from there.

 

[Crothian]

The level is checked after all other meta magic feats are applied.

 

[AGGEMAM]

The level is checked after all other meta magic feats are applied.

Correct, and that is why it is worth to take the feat a 4th or even 5th or more times.

 

[mkletch]

The level is checked after all other meta magic feats are applied.

Wrong. Very wrong.

From the SRD, Feats, Metamagic Feats
Effects of Metamagic Feats on a Spell: In all ways, a metamagic spell operates at its original level even though it is prepared and cast as a higher-level spell. Saving throw modifications are not changed (unless stated otherwise in the feat description).

Only Heighten Spell actually changes the level of a spell. Otherwise, you always use the level of the original spell, for purposes of saving throws and determining what level an effect is (i.e. detect magic, these automatic feats, a rakshasa or nightshades immunity to spells, etc.). Only if you intend to heighten spells above 9th level would you need to take any of the Automagic metamagic feats more than three times. A possibility, of course, but very specialized.

-Fletch!