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<blockquote data-quote="jezter6" data-source="post: 3151103" data-attributes="member: 6567"><p>Some of you will probably lose a breath or possibly even have a heart attack hearing this from me (so if you're prone to that stuff, AND I've offended you before with my comments, please sit down, keep a glass of water and an asprin handy, and read with open eyes).</p><p></p><p>That said, here's my response to Treebore:</p><p></p><p>For those companies that ARE primarily print (or as close to 50/50 print/pdf), I agree with what you are saying for the most part. Why buy a pdf for $39 when you can get dead tree for the same price. I often feel PDFs should be cheaper given the higher margin (at least before OBS) when cutting out distributors and printing costs.</p><p></p><p>However, for those that are mostly PDF, they have to charge those prices because the market doesn't really get enough to make good cash money out of the business because distribution numbers are so small. When you're talking only getting 100-200 sales per product, and you still have to pay full price for things like art, layout, and writing (I mean, the artist and writers shouldn't get stiffed because the product doesn't sell...or should they??).</p><p></p><p>If you have $250 in art costs, $100 in writing costs, and another $200 in layout costs, you need to makes $550 just to break even. I'm being EXTREMELY light on those costs I would imagine. That means you need to sell about $850 in product before the OBS commission. Assuming 150 sales, the product has to be at least $5.67 to break even. Now, for costs as low as $550, I'm betting the product is probably less than 64 pages in length. Probably less than or around 20 pages. That's 28 cents per page, which is extremely high, considering that a WotC full color glossy snazzy book at 200 some pages is only about 19 cents per page. You're paying quite a bit more, and the poor publisher is really only making out around even.</p><p></p><p>Of course, if this were e23, they'd only have to make up about $687 in sales, and be able to price out at $4.58 to break even on similar sales. Also lowers per page pricing by about 6 cents/page. (Some of you don't believe in the cost per page model, but I do.)</p><p></p><p>Either way, IMHO, $4.58 or $5.67, both are way too darn much for such a small product, and the publisher is still only breaking even.</p><p></p><p>I expect prices to rise, little guys to fold up and go home, and guys like Phil and Gareth to do exactly what they need to do to survive and put food on the table. I don't blame them, but I'll do what every good citizen does and vote...with my wallet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jezter6, post: 3151103, member: 6567"] Some of you will probably lose a breath or possibly even have a heart attack hearing this from me (so if you're prone to that stuff, AND I've offended you before with my comments, please sit down, keep a glass of water and an asprin handy, and read with open eyes). That said, here's my response to Treebore: For those companies that ARE primarily print (or as close to 50/50 print/pdf), I agree with what you are saying for the most part. Why buy a pdf for $39 when you can get dead tree for the same price. I often feel PDFs should be cheaper given the higher margin (at least before OBS) when cutting out distributors and printing costs. However, for those that are mostly PDF, they have to charge those prices because the market doesn't really get enough to make good cash money out of the business because distribution numbers are so small. When you're talking only getting 100-200 sales per product, and you still have to pay full price for things like art, layout, and writing (I mean, the artist and writers shouldn't get stiffed because the product doesn't sell...or should they??). If you have $250 in art costs, $100 in writing costs, and another $200 in layout costs, you need to makes $550 just to break even. I'm being EXTREMELY light on those costs I would imagine. That means you need to sell about $850 in product before the OBS commission. Assuming 150 sales, the product has to be at least $5.67 to break even. Now, for costs as low as $550, I'm betting the product is probably less than 64 pages in length. Probably less than or around 20 pages. That's 28 cents per page, which is extremely high, considering that a WotC full color glossy snazzy book at 200 some pages is only about 19 cents per page. You're paying quite a bit more, and the poor publisher is really only making out around even. Of course, if this were e23, they'd only have to make up about $687 in sales, and be able to price out at $4.58 to break even on similar sales. Also lowers per page pricing by about 6 cents/page. (Some of you don't believe in the cost per page model, but I do.) Either way, IMHO, $4.58 or $5.67, both are way too darn much for such a small product, and the publisher is still only breaking even. I expect prices to rise, little guys to fold up and go home, and guys like Phil and Gareth to do exactly what they need to do to survive and put food on the table. I don't blame them, but I'll do what every good citizen does and vote...with my wallet. [/QUOTE]
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