Enervation

[Infiniti2000]

I like Empowering enervation for 2d4 negative levels as a 6th level spell. Poor energy drain.

Empowering enervation would be 1, 3, 4, or 6 negative levels. On a roll of 1 you get 1, on a roll of 2 you get 3, 3 you get 4, and on a 4 you get 6.

 

[pawsplay]

That is inclusive text. Killed by necromancy, rise as undead, makes sense to me!

By that logic, anyone killed by a fireball should rise as a fire elemental.

 

[Mistwell]

Fortunately, you're dropping the CL "whenever the creature’s level is used in a die roll or calculation", which is not for determining spells per day or spells known. Your point is arguable if you only read the spell description (and then barely so); and from your arguments here, that isn't so.

For the record (everyone is keeping a record, right?) I agree with you on this point. I don't think Enevervation locks out an entire level of spells, just a single spell per "level" lost, as stated in the spell decription.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Actually, I disagree. It's the same source and it doesn't stack. The most you can do is 1d4 negative levels (sans maximize and empower) from enervation and that's it.

Remember that negative levels, along with ability damage, is considered to be 'damage' per Complete Arcane - hence why Enervation is a weaponlike spell that can be used to crit or sneak attack.

Damage, unlike penalties, generally stacks.

It's the same concept as ray of enfeeblement, which doesn't stack with itself.

Ray of Enfeeblement is used as an example of 'not a weaponlike spell' because it doesn't deal damage... as opposed to Enervation, used as an example of a weaponlike spell because it does 'deal damage'.

Fortunately, you're dropping the CL "whenever the creature’s level is used in a die roll or calculation", which is not for determining spells per day or spells known.

How is caster level for a wizard-3 determined? How about for a paladin-4?

Speaking of paladins... let's say we have a paladin-4 with one negative level. What's his bonus damage on a Smite Evil attack? What if he's a paladin-4/monk-7 with one negative level... what's his Smite Evil damage bonus, and how many hit points can he heal with Wholeness of Body?

-Hyp.

 

[Mistwell]

How is caster level for a wizard-3 determined? How about for a paladin-4?

Speaking of paladins... let's say we have a paladin-4 with one negative level. What's his bonus damage on a Smite Evil attack? What if he's a paladin-4/monk-7 with one negative level... what's his Smite Evil damage bonus, and how many hit points can he heal with Wholeness of Body?

-Hyp.

WHy are you answering with questions rather than a statement of your opinion?

 

[Hypersmurf]

WHy are you answering with questions rather than a statement of your opinion?

Is that important?

-Hyp.

 

[Mistwell]

Is that important?

-Hyp.

Is any discussion of the realtively obscure rules of a relatively obscure version of a relatively obscure game?

Seriously though, it did seem like you were asking people to do a lot of work just to comprehend your point (looking up the rules relating to your various questions), when you could have instead restated it with about the same number of words in a way that would have been less exclusionary in nature and in which would have furthered the discussion more. Whatever your point was, I felt it would have been more helpful to just outright make it.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Seriously though, it did seem like you were asking people to do a lot of work just to comprehend your point ...

Caliban?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Patryn, behave.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

 

[Vurt]

Seriously though, it did seem like you were asking people to do a lot of work just to comprehend your point (looking up the rules relating to your various questions), when you could have instead restated it with about the same number of words in a way that would have been less exclusionary in nature and in which would have furthered the discussion more. Whatever your point was, I felt it would have been more helpful to just outright make it.

I believe Hyp is a big fan of the Socratic Method.

Which is to say, if I don't understand something and read the answer, I may get it, or I may not. If I don't understand something and do some actual thinking of my own to figure it out, there's a better chance that I will come to understand what's going on. The "more work" is actually a good thing, which is the real reason teachers give homework.

Cheers,
Vurt