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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arknath" data-source="post: 3395845" data-attributes="member: 2850">I think i did but I was referring to the total grapple check (+8 size bonus). Thanks for making sure though, they can all get cloudy at times! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Yeah it is sort of easy to do that.  I think I could come up with some situations where the tactic could not be easily (possibly) employed.  However, it was more of a "How broken is this custom race typing" kinda question than a "This is the way it is, how can I make it difficult for them" kind of question.  No spellthieves...yet!  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /> Some great points here, Infiniti.  I may point my players to this thread......and speak of the devils. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Didn't know you were here Christian (and replied to your other post not knowing it was you too! LOL).  Yeah, that damned croc is vicious, i have no problem with that.  1 round per level...mean       reptile. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> My poor dragon was out-thunk by a barbarian.  Was much fun.There WAS a time right before that where they had fought a young       yellow dragon (Dragon Compendium Vol. 1) and his (the cat character's) size played a bit more of a factor than I thought it would.  *shrugs*I LOVE IT!! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Seriously, like I'm telling my players, it's not that I want to squish an advantage a race may have over another, but I'm trying to make sure that this combo isn't too powerful.  Expansion (which, the cat man happens to be a psychic warrior) makes the whole discussion moot anyway (and personally I think that they should have limited expansion like they limited enlarge person, but...who am i? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) but just wanted to get a general feel of how the community felt about this combo.Thanks all for your feedback, keep it comin!</blockquote>

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