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<blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 5242131" data-attributes="member: 51942">Compare this:Power attack deals an extra +2 to +9 damage on hit.&nbsp; If you use this with a daily power that does half damage on a miss, do you get the power attack damage?The way I interpret it, you would.&nbsp; You compute the damage as if you'd hit, then divide by two.Similarly, if you heal as many hit points as if the target had spent a surge, then you need to compute how many hit points you'd heal if the target spent a surge - and that includes healers lore, or an item such as a belt of vigor.&nbsp; That number of hit points is the number that cure light wounds heals.By contrast, astral seal (which the update refers to) does not refer to healing surges - it won't benefit from bonuses that surges get.Note that although they're trying to limit surgeless healing, CLW is a daily resource and as such isn't the kind of problematic healing I expect they're worried about.Of course, it's possible that some WotC folk didn't intend this - but not adding healers lore is simply inconsistent; how are we to know which effects apply when treating something &quot;as if&quot; it were something else and which effects don't?&nbsp; Unless it's explicit, best to assume that &quot;as if&quot; really means &quot;as if&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="eamon, post: 5242131, member: 51942"] Compare this: Power attack deals an extra +2 to +9 damage on hit. If you use this with a daily power that does half damage on a miss, do you get the power attack damage? The way I interpret it, you would. You compute the damage [I]as if [/I]you'd hit, then divide by two. Similarly, if you heal as many hit points [I]as if [/I]the target had spent a surge, then you need to compute how many hit points you'd heal if the target spent a surge - and that includes healers lore, or an item such as a belt of vigor. That number of hit points is the number that cure light wounds heals. By contrast, astral seal (which the update refers to) does not refer to healing surges - it won't benefit from bonuses that surges get. Note that although they're trying to limit surgeless healing, CLW is a daily resource and as such isn't the kind of problematic healing I expect they're worried about. Of course, it's possible that some WotC folk didn't intend this - but [I]not[/I] adding healers lore is simply inconsistent; how are we to know which effects apply when treating something "as if" it were something else and which effects don't? Unless it's explicit, best to assume that "as if" really means "as if". [/QUOTE]

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