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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ginnel" data-source="post: 4402852" data-attributes="member: 66058">I do apologise unreservedly it was something I picked from one of your posts and I didn't check the quote until your comment now, my bad, sorry.It was a line in brackets that you said some people have mentioned 4e being a bit stale and lacking in adrenaline On the crit thing you get extra D6's for plus' on magic weapon which started appearing for us at level 1 and 2, you get high crit weapons which roll the damage dice again I believe.  some quick maths for a greataxe with 20 str and +1 enchantment  this is 18 + D12 + D6 on a crit a total from 20-36, which will most likely kill a mook but won't kill an elite or solo. I also find it quite gratifying to bring enemies to bloodied myself. Fair enough on the point that some people like one style and other another style.I guess I just like a bit more control and effect on the outcome - chess compared to the will of lady luck - crapsI've got nothing against an instant sleep/fear/stun/funky chicken/immmobilize effect that lasts 2 rounds max, instant death is just something I can't quite grasp.</blockquote>