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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4405993" data-attributes="member: 710"><p>Possible. I think the DM is also at fault here in not presenting us any options where we could avoid him. I think he made quite a few mistakes. </p><p></p><p>But: The monster is still a monster characters are supposed to beat! The CR was not that much higher then our party level. And judging from his attack values and AC, it seems as if he would have been a serious threat even if we were a few levels higher! </p><p></p><p>But this is leading a little off-topic. We're not discussing Age of Worms or the quality of Challenge Ratings... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're not really adressing the issues at hand.</p><p>Sitting out happens too often, and too easy without any influence from the player if Save or Die or Save or Sit spells are around. You roll your save, and you are either allowed to go on, or you are not. </p><p></p><p>And aside from the fact that there is not actually a problem if the PCs can't die in a game, because there are other challenges to be considered: Death doesn't have to mean sitting out. If you die close in the middle or the end of an encounter, the time you have to sit out isn't that much - the party can resurrect you soon, or you roll up a new character. </p><p>In fact: If character creation in 3E was faster and easier, and there were no Raise Dead mechanics, a death in the first round of combat wouldn't be that bad, at least your busy creating your character. But if you're "forced" to wait on a raise dead spell or forced to wait until someone casts stone to flesh or something like that, that's when you really have to sit out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4405993, member: 710"] Possible. I think the DM is also at fault here in not presenting us any options where we could avoid him. I think he made quite a few mistakes. But: The monster is still a monster characters are supposed to beat! The CR was not that much higher then our party level. And judging from his attack values and AC, it seems as if he would have been a serious threat even if we were a few levels higher! But this is leading a little off-topic. We're not discussing Age of Worms or the quality of Challenge Ratings... ;) You're not really adressing the issues at hand. Sitting out happens too often, and too easy without any influence from the player if Save or Die or Save or Sit spells are around. You roll your save, and you are either allowed to go on, or you are not. And aside from the fact that there is not actually a problem if the PCs can't die in a game, because there are other challenges to be considered: Death doesn't have to mean sitting out. If you die close in the middle or the end of an encounter, the time you have to sit out isn't that much - the party can resurrect you soon, or you roll up a new character. In fact: If character creation in 3E was faster and easier, and there were no Raise Dead mechanics, a death in the first round of combat wouldn't be that bad, at least your busy creating your character. But if you're "forced" to wait on a raise dead spell or forced to wait until someone casts stone to flesh or something like that, that's when you really have to sit out. [/QUOTE]
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