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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Victim" data-source="post: 678125" data-attributes="member: 78">I'm not seeing +12.  The CR for a paragon mindflayer is 22, but the ECL is 26.  Mindflayers are a +10 adjustment, if I'm looking at the right thing.  So the adjustment for the template looks like +16.In any case, I hate the ECL adjustments for templates.  In most cases, a level 1 + template character isn't equivalent to a normal equivalent character.  However, toss many levels later, the balance swings the other way.  For example, a level 16 half dragon fighter will be generally equivalent a 20th level fighter in terms of HP and other level dependent effects, but will do more damage, have extra stat boosts, etc.  Almost all the penalties are gone, but most of the benefits remain.  Given the massive Con boosts and extra HP granted by the paragon, I'd say that it quickly reaches the point where the benefits far outweigh the costs.  Of course, that might be obvious simply because of your desire to play one.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>