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<blockquote data-quote="The Spectrum Rider" data-source="post: 1181352" data-attributes="member: 10777"><p>I'm trying to puzzle out some issues about epic-level characters using the 3.5 DMG. I have the ELH, but it's not 3.5-compliant, of course.</p><p></p><p>The DMG describes the Epic Barbarian (more than 20 levels of barbarian), Epic Bard (more than 20 levels of bard), and so on, pretty well. And it has a paragraph about what happens when one of those characters adds a level of some other class. But there's not much discussion about multiclass epic characters none of whose individual class levels is above 20.</p><p></p><p>For example, consider a fighter 16/wizard 4. He takes a level of wizard, making him a fighter 16/wizard 5, and taking him into the epic rules.</p><p></p><p>DMG., pg. 207, discussing what happens to class features in the epic relam, says "...a character's spells per day don't increase after 20th level."</p><p></p><p>I ASSUME that means "after 20th level in the particular spellcasting class," and that in my example the character's spells per day would increase, just like any character who goes from 4th level wizard to 5th level wizard. But it's hard to tell from the text. Am I right?</p><p></p><p>Also: if you create a monster with, for example, 30 HD dice (and, so far, no class levels), do the epic level rules apply when determining the monster's BAB and base save bonuses? That is, do you start by giving it appropriate BAB's and BSB's for a 20-HD monster, and then apply the remaining 10 HD as though you were advancing an epic character?</p><p></p><p>Or do you just set the BAB and BSB directly, based on 30 HD (the tables don't go up that high, but you can work out a formula based on level), and then start using the epic rules only if and when that creature gets his first class level? And, how does the monster's LA fit into these calculations?</p><p></p><p>Thank you for your help.</p><p></p><p>The Spectrum Rider</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Spectrum Rider, post: 1181352, member: 10777"] I'm trying to puzzle out some issues about epic-level characters using the 3.5 DMG. I have the ELH, but it's not 3.5-compliant, of course. The DMG describes the Epic Barbarian (more than 20 levels of barbarian), Epic Bard (more than 20 levels of bard), and so on, pretty well. And it has a paragraph about what happens when one of those characters adds a level of some other class. But there's not much discussion about multiclass epic characters none of whose individual class levels is above 20. For example, consider a fighter 16/wizard 4. He takes a level of wizard, making him a fighter 16/wizard 5, and taking him into the epic rules. DMG., pg. 207, discussing what happens to class features in the epic relam, says "...a character's spells per day don't increase after 20th level." I ASSUME that means "after 20th level in the particular spellcasting class," and that in my example the character's spells per day would increase, just like any character who goes from 4th level wizard to 5th level wizard. But it's hard to tell from the text. Am I right? Also: if you create a monster with, for example, 30 HD dice (and, so far, no class levels), do the epic level rules apply when determining the monster's BAB and base save bonuses? That is, do you start by giving it appropriate BAB's and BSB's for a 20-HD monster, and then apply the remaining 10 HD as though you were advancing an epic character? Or do you just set the BAB and BSB directly, based on 30 HD (the tables don't go up that high, but you can work out a formula based on level), and then start using the epic rules only if and when that creature gets his first class level? And, how does the monster's LA fit into these calculations? Thank you for your help. The Spectrum Rider [/QUOTE]
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