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<blockquote data-quote="The Souljourner" data-source="post: 1015503" data-attributes="member: 1622">What 32nd level Wizard *isn't* going to have a 36,000gp item to give him +6 con?&nbsp; That alone is +96 hitpoints, which makes the average 294, enough to survive even above average damage.&nbsp; And that's not even taking into consideration the mere 110,000gp he could spend to get a +4 inherent bonus to con.&nbsp; Now he has 358 hitpoints, which is almost enough to survive max damage from 64d6.And we haven't even delved into the art of making an epic spell to increase your con.... make it take an hour to cast, make it last a week, get a couple friends to add an epic spell slot, and you can get like +16 con just from that.That's where epic spells *really* stand out - self buffing spells with fairly hefty casting requirements but that stay around for a long time... or even ones that are permanent.&nbsp; Unfortunately, an epic spell that gives you +16 con isn't very interesting.-The Souljourner</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Souljourner, post: 1015503, member: 1622"] What 32nd level Wizard *isn't* going to have a 36,000gp item to give him +6 con? That alone is +96 hitpoints, which makes the average 294, enough to survive even above average damage. And that's not even taking into consideration the mere 110,000gp he could spend to get a +4 inherent bonus to con. Now he has 358 hitpoints, which is almost enough to survive max damage from 64d6. And we haven't even delved into the art of making an epic spell to increase your con.... make it take an hour to cast, make it last a week, get a couple friends to add an epic spell slot, and you can get like +16 con just from that. That's where epic spells *really* stand out - self buffing spells with fairly hefty casting requirements but that stay around for a long time... or even ones that are permanent. Unfortunately, an epic spell that gives you +16 con isn't very interesting. -The Souljourner [/QUOTE]

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