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Message: <blockquote data-quote="schporto" data-source="post: 2913582" data-attributes="member: 5967">First I2K sorry I misunderstood with my 'double dipping' post.  Now I understand your point.  I still think there is a logical inconsistency either way though.Either spells bring forth stuff and then DR applies - which leaves the question of how can something conjured be effected by SR?  The Ice Storm example.  Spell reisistance only applies to spells.  This is a physical thing, so SR shouldn't apply.Or spells are all bypassing DR - which leads to the summon monster inconsistency.  Where even summoned that are physically present are not spell effects and therefore subject to DR.  Or a sword with Magic Weapon cast on it would bypass all DR for that +1 of damage (that's the spell's damage) with all the rest of it's damage being subject to DR.I think the best way is to balance the two.  If it is creating something then the created part is subject to DR and no SR.  Therefore the bludgeoning damage in a ice storm is subject to DR but no SR.  The cold effect is subject to SR but bypasses DR (it is an energy effect).  Damage with no type attached (horrid wilting, searing light) count as spell damage.My only problem here is does Force count as energy?  Because if it didn't, it would help with those steenkin orb of forces.-cpd</blockquote>