Everburning Torch question ...

[Dr_Rictus]

When it says "this torch has continual flame cast on it," what it means is that it's a torch that has continual flame cast on it. Continual flame is a spell with a duration of Permanent. Spells with a duration of Permanent can be dispelled. There are spells that dispel magic doesn't work on, but they say so. Continual flame doesn't say so.

It really could hardly be any clearer than that.

 

[kreynolds]

All men like beer.

No they don't. It's an irrelevant statement.

Unless I see it somewhere in the books that "All magic items must incur an XP cost" or "All magic items must be made by an individual who has an Item Creation feat", then I see no reason that there cannot be exceptions.

Find a magic item that doesn't incur an XP cost.

 

[IceBear]

I agree, you are all reading too much into this. It's a torch with continual flame cast on it.

For those that think it's a special magic item, how would you let a PC create one? All other magic items give the feats and spells required to create this item, but there is nothing here. Why? Because all it takes to make it is to cast continual flame on a stick.

IceBear

 

[candidus_cogitens]

Find a magic item that doesn't incur an XP cost.

One: Everburning torch.


You can't first remove all counter-evidence in order to come up with the principle that you are using to discount that evidence.

 

[candidus_cogitens]

For those that think it's a special magic item, how would you let a PC create one? All other magic items give the feats and spells required to create this item, but there is nothing here. Why? Because all it takes to make it is to cast continual flame on a stick.

IceBear

Like other magic items, the prerequisites for its creation ARE given in the DMG. In this case, there is only one pre-requisite--that you be able to cast Continual Flame.

 

[kreynolds]

You can't first remove all counter-evidence in order to come up with the principle that you are using to discount that evidence.

You haven't provided any evidence in the first place, so there is no evidence for me to remove.

 

[0-hr]

Alas poor candidus_cogitens. Though he started as a reasonable person, he has doggedly changed before our eyes into the basest of trolls. Let us hope that the duration of this effect is not permanent.

 

[IceBear]

Like other magic items, the prerequisites for its creation ARE given in the DMG. In this case, there is only one pre-requisite--that you be able to cast Continual Flame.

So what's to distinguish between a casting of the continual flame as a spell and to create this "magic" item? Nothing. It's a spell, not a real magic item - it's placement in the DMG non-withstanding. There have been enough issues with the wording, placement of words, etc in the rule books that I wouldn't hinge my entire argument on this.

PC: I cast continual flame on this torch
<later>
DM: Your continual flame is dispelled
PC: No, when I cast it I was creating an everburning torch, it's only surpressed
DM: Oh for crying out loud, just cast continual flame on it again, it's not like you're losing XP for it like other magic items!

IceBear

 

[Tom Cashel]

Never has so much been made of so little. And my "trolldar" is working just fine...

 

[drnuncheon]

Re: Re: Everburning Torch question ...

If you create it as a magic item, it would be more expensive (2 x 3 x 2,000gp). Obviously, such an item isn't worth 12,000gp, so you would need to tweak the price.

Actually, the 12,000 gp item would allow you to effectively cast continual flame at will. One could very easily argue that it would let you turn anything into an everburning torch (much as a 'wand of continual flame' would do, except without charges). Now that's worth 12 grand.

J