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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8208746" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Sure, but Maztica was written by adult, in 1990/1991, not a child in the 1960s, an adult who did an absolute ton of research because the books contain a lot of stuff very specifically derived from both South American/Mesoamerican mythology, and from the history of the European invasion of the area.</p><p></p><p>There's no way he didn't know that conquistadors were basically extremely bad news. Indeed, there are references to that sort of thing in Maztica, and to casting a faith (I forget which? Torm?) as the Catholic church in a bizarre way, but at the same time, the bulk of the setting glorifies the conquistador-types, and basically as them to as there to help the poor natives.</p><p></p><p>It's messed-up in the extreme.</p><p></p><p>EDIT - Also btw exactly how OLD do you think I am? 60? Learned in the 1970s? I was barely born in the 1970s! I learned about the that stuff in 1990-ish, when I was 11/12. Point is though, this was stuff in textbooks for kids. It wasn't risky or novel or shocking. The text books were from earlier in the 1980s (they had them on the Vikings too, I remember that, because it influenced some of the D&D I was running!), with lovely colourful art. It didn't dwell on the conquistadors being horrible monsters, but it did acknowledge it.</p><p></p><p>So I feel like an adult doing research on the same era, in the same time period, had to know all this and more - but they clearly thought it wasn't important and it was fine to re-write things so invaders were heroic saviours and so on.</p><p></p><p>It's bizarre though because for all Oriental Adventures' sins, it's much less bad the Maztica, because it takes the approach of "these people are just as good as Westerners, but do things their own way". Had Maztica been written by Zeb Cook as OA was, I strongly suspect the Mazticans would have been a bunch of badasses like the OA crew, and would have been sailing to the Sword Coast etc., not vice-versa, with no need for a conquistador narrative at all (of course it might have ended up getting called "Americas Adventures" and yet focusing solely on Incan myth or something lol).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8208746, member: 18"] Sure, but Maztica was written by adult, in 1990/1991, not a child in the 1960s, an adult who did an absolute ton of research because the books contain a lot of stuff very specifically derived from both South American/Mesoamerican mythology, and from the history of the European invasion of the area. There's no way he didn't know that conquistadors were basically extremely bad news. Indeed, there are references to that sort of thing in Maztica, and to casting a faith (I forget which? Torm?) as the Catholic church in a bizarre way, but at the same time, the bulk of the setting glorifies the conquistador-types, and basically as them to as there to help the poor natives. It's messed-up in the extreme. EDIT - Also btw exactly how OLD do you think I am? 60? Learned in the 1970s? I was barely born in the 1970s! I learned about the that stuff in 1990-ish, when I was 11/12. Point is though, this was stuff in textbooks for kids. It wasn't risky or novel or shocking. The text books were from earlier in the 1980s (they had them on the Vikings too, I remember that, because it influenced some of the D&D I was running!), with lovely colourful art. It didn't dwell on the conquistadors being horrible monsters, but it did acknowledge it. So I feel like an adult doing research on the same era, in the same time period, had to know all this and more - but they clearly thought it wasn't important and it was fine to re-write things so invaders were heroic saviours and so on. It's bizarre though because for all Oriental Adventures' sins, it's much less bad the Maztica, because it takes the approach of "these people are just as good as Westerners, but do things their own way". Had Maztica been written by Zeb Cook as OA was, I strongly suspect the Mazticans would have been a bunch of badasses like the OA crew, and would have been sailing to the Sword Coast etc., not vice-versa, with no need for a conquistador narrative at all (of course it might have ended up getting called "Americas Adventures" and yet focusing solely on Incan myth or something lol). [/QUOTE]
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