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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8210017" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I don't know what these two "legends" are, that's not something I've come across in English-speaking discussions of the conquistadors and I notice you're using an alternate spelling with an extra e, so presumably you're from South or Central America? But curiously British phrases like "bog-standard"... Obviously history is written by the victor, and you seem to attempting to say "Oh it's in the middle" and I'm sorry but that's not actually well-supported by historical research.</p><p></p><p>As for "bog-standard humans", well, <em>all</em> humans are "bog-standard humans", none of us are elves or whatever, so that's meaningless. What is meaningful is that they carried out atrocity after atrocity, and there's no getting away from that, especially as they didn't just stop when they'd established control (like, say, the Romans usually did), they just got worse, for a very long time. You say "cartoon villains", but let's be real - they were much worse than any sanitized "cartoon villains".</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure who the "empire" spreading this "black legend" is, but I'd love to know! Because as I said, history is written by the victor, so it presumably can't be the Aztecs. Is there some kind of Spanish vs Portuguese scuffle you're referring to or something?</p><p></p><p>EDIT - As an aside, I will note that in the early 2000s there seemed to be some attempt to "re-assess" the conquistadors etc. and try and paint them in a "they were just doing their job" way, and to point out that the biggest cause of death was smallpox, and so on (esp. after evidence in the 1990s showing the Aztecs really were bad news), but the big problem that stuff faced, and what lead to it kind of stopping dead before a full re-assessment could be made, was that whenever new historical or archaeological evidence appeared, it made them look really bad, and made it obvious that these supposed "savages" were even further from that than had previously been believed. I remember watching some documentary series that wanted to "change your mind your mind about the conquistadors" or something, definitely implying in the sense that they weren't as bad as you thought, but whilst some specific incidents were clarified, the overall effect was to make them look even worse (which I don't think was intended).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8210017, member: 18"] I don't know what these two "legends" are, that's not something I've come across in English-speaking discussions of the conquistadors and I notice you're using an alternate spelling with an extra e, so presumably you're from South or Central America? But curiously British phrases like "bog-standard"... Obviously history is written by the victor, and you seem to attempting to say "Oh it's in the middle" and I'm sorry but that's not actually well-supported by historical research. As for "bog-standard humans", well, [I]all[/I] humans are "bog-standard humans", none of us are elves or whatever, so that's meaningless. What is meaningful is that they carried out atrocity after atrocity, and there's no getting away from that, especially as they didn't just stop when they'd established control (like, say, the Romans usually did), they just got worse, for a very long time. You say "cartoon villains", but let's be real - they were much worse than any sanitized "cartoon villains". I'm not sure who the "empire" spreading this "black legend" is, but I'd love to know! Because as I said, history is written by the victor, so it presumably can't be the Aztecs. Is there some kind of Spanish vs Portuguese scuffle you're referring to or something? EDIT - As an aside, I will note that in the early 2000s there seemed to be some attempt to "re-assess" the conquistadors etc. and try and paint them in a "they were just doing their job" way, and to point out that the biggest cause of death was smallpox, and so on (esp. after evidence in the 1990s showing the Aztecs really were bad news), but the big problem that stuff faced, and what lead to it kind of stopping dead before a full re-assessment could be made, was that whenever new historical or archaeological evidence appeared, it made them look really bad, and made it obvious that these supposed "savages" were even further from that than had previously been believed. I remember watching some documentary series that wanted to "change your mind your mind about the conquistadors" or something, definitely implying in the sense that they weren't as bad as you thought, but whilst some specific incidents were clarified, the overall effect was to make them look even worse (which I don't think was intended). [/QUOTE]
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