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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 8211360"><p>This seems like a really big quibble over language to me. Ravenloft was a line that evolved. There were ideas expressed in the Black Box Set that were more fully explored in the Van Richten books (the idea of how you customize individual monsters like vampires for example). So those ideas were present going back to the black box set, but the van richten books really illustrate how to do that. And my point overall is, the full nature of this line becomes clear by the time you have the black box set, feast of goblins and the van richten books coming out. I do also think the van richten books improved upon the core ideas because you kind of needed that elaboration to fully explore it. They also just offered clear blueprints for the kinds of adventures that would work well in Ravenloft. I guess what I am saying is, it is essential for understanding both what the line became, and also helps illuminate ideas and builds off ideas in the core boxed set (the core boxed set is great on its own, but I don't think you quite have fully baked Ravenloft in all its magnificence till you get some of the Van Richten books).</p></blockquote><p></p>