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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8248067" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>But this is like the Soul Man scenario.</p><p></p><p>A character isn't designed to be misogynist, the writer wasn't thinking "I HATE WOMEN!!!" but they play off misogynist tropes, and so the actual depiction is misogynist.</p><p></p><p>Part of how you prevent this being a problem is to have counter-examples. A female character who is despicably evil, but doesn't hit any major misogynist tropes.</p><p></p><p>It's similar with Hazlik, if he was one queer character in four or five say, and he had his dubious backstory, it might raise some eyebrows, but no-one would think the setting was queerphobic.</p><p></p><p></p><p>See, the problem you're facing is that the lens is now inherently part of the camera system possessed by many/most younger people, just as older people (i.e. 40+) possess a lens that allows them to see racist-as-hell stuff where some older-still people (60+ or 70+) might have some difficulty seeing how stuff that is obviously racist to you is "racist". A good example would be the Black & White Minstrel show (which in the UK ran waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long because old people). To someone my parents age (70), that's obviously and shockingly racist. To someone my grandad's age (who would be like 100 now), it wasn't obviously racist, and people his age would have said "BUT I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE!".</p><p></p><p>So when you're dismissing this because you think people "require knowledge of the lens", maybe think on how people might have that lens built in, and just because you didn't, doesn't mean they don't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8248067, member: 18"] But this is like the Soul Man scenario. A character isn't designed to be misogynist, the writer wasn't thinking "I HATE WOMEN!!!" but they play off misogynist tropes, and so the actual depiction is misogynist. Part of how you prevent this being a problem is to have counter-examples. A female character who is despicably evil, but doesn't hit any major misogynist tropes. It's similar with Hazlik, if he was one queer character in four or five say, and he had his dubious backstory, it might raise some eyebrows, but no-one would think the setting was queerphobic. See, the problem you're facing is that the lens is now inherently part of the camera system possessed by many/most younger people, just as older people (i.e. 40+) possess a lens that allows them to see racist-as-hell stuff where some older-still people (60+ or 70+) might have some difficulty seeing how stuff that is obviously racist to you is "racist". A good example would be the Black & White Minstrel show (which in the UK ran waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long because old people). To someone my parents age (70), that's obviously and shockingly racist. To someone my grandad's age (who would be like 100 now), it wasn't obviously racist, and people his age would have said "BUT I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE!". So when you're dismissing this because you think people "require knowledge of the lens", maybe think on how people might have that lens built in, and just because you didn't, doesn't mean they don't. [/QUOTE]
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