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<blockquote data-quote="Urriak Uruk" data-source="post: 8261719" data-attributes="member: 7015558">I'm not going to argue with you point by point, because I hate dividing my quotes up. But no, I don't agree that horror is all about disempowerment. Sometimes, it's a powerful hero coming up short. If you ever watch the end of the Gold Age Arc in Berserk, which is pretty horrific for many reasons, it's a case of a very powerful hero coming against an impossible foe. His allies and friends all around him are killed and abused, and his best friend does a truly unspeakable (for this forum) act. At no point did I think the hero Guts was disempowered, but I did think that all of his power came up short against this foe, and for that he pays a heavy toll.So no, I think your definition of horror is frankly too narrow. That said, D&amp;D is not truly built for horror of any type, because the heroes are expected to triumph in the end. No player I know of really wants to lose. Knowing it is a possibility is different than actually wanting it to happen because it &quot;fits the genre.&quot; The players want to confront the horror and win. This is not really on-theme for horror.And yes, I do find arguing with you on definitions largely tedious. Largely, because I know I'm not going to change your mind. So in the end we will point at the same thing and call it different things, and what's the point? We aren't going to agree, neither of us is going to change our mind, so I'd rather talk about something else.I've put in a trailer for the upcoming Castlevania show, which does a pretty good job of encapsulating what &quot;Horror D&amp;D&quot; is typically going to look like. I'm not going to show Berserk because that's NSFW on a whole range of levels. If you want something that's disempowering for your D&amp;D game, well, I might recommend a different game honestly, because that's not really what D&amp;D 5E is, and would require a heavy rework to do so.[MEDIA=youtube]L7iWXfZzEMc[/MEDIA]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Urriak Uruk, post: 8261719, member: 7015558"] I'm not going to argue with you point by point, because I hate dividing my quotes up. But no, I don't agree that horror is all about disempowerment. Sometimes, it's a powerful hero coming up short. If you ever watch the end of the Gold Age Arc in Berserk, which is pretty horrific for many reasons, it's a case of a very powerful hero coming against an impossible foe. His allies and friends all around him are killed and abused, and his best friend does a truly unspeakable (for this forum) act. At no point did I think the hero Guts was disempowered, but I did think that all of his power came up short against this foe, and for that he pays a heavy toll. So no, I think your definition of horror is frankly too narrow. That said, D&D is not truly built for horror of any type, because the heroes are expected to triumph in the end. No player I know of really [I]wants [/I]to lose. Knowing it is a possibility is different than actually wanting it to happen because it "fits the genre." The players want to confront the horror and win. This is not really on-theme for horror. And yes, I do find arguing with you on definitions largely tedious. Largely, because I know I'm not going to change your mind. So in the end we will point at the same thing and call it different things, and what's the point? We aren't going to agree, neither of us is going to change our mind, so I'd rather talk about something else. I've put in a trailer for the upcoming Castlevania show, which does a pretty good job of encapsulating what "Horror D&D" is typically going to look like. I'm not going to show Berserk because that's NSFW on a whole range of levels. If you want something that's disempowering for your D&D game, well, I might recommend a different game honestly, because that's not really what D&D 5E is, and would require a heavy rework to do so. [MEDIA=youtube]L7iWXfZzEMc[/MEDIA] [/QUOTE]

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