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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8271063" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>I don't think they used that language to cover their butts, they used that language to make it explicitly not about race. So they aren't tiptoeing at all. It certainly could have been antebellum Louisiana, but it also could have been modeled after something in the Caribbean as well. In all likelihood whatever it was based on probably had race based slavery, but they didn't include it as far as I remember. In fact it looks like they specifically separated race out of the equation just to make sure it wasn't an issue. But my point is even if they had, that period in history existed, it is something you could draw on in a setting, and doing so wouldn't be an endorsement of slavery. It would be using something we recognize in order to provide a setting appropriate to horror (slavery is a terrible thing, particularly racially based slavery). I am not saying Ravenloft needs to have that or should. I am just saying if they did, I don't think it is automatically a problem, in a horror setting (unless they are doing something awful like defending it---but they wouldn't be doing that)</p><p></p><p>I just re-read the vistani section in the black box and I thought it was fine (actually I think the curse of strahd Vistani had more negative traits than the black box but I could be wrong). But I liked the idea of vistani who could move freely from domain to domain, and existed slightly outside of time, and were connected to the gypsy horror trope. But again, I grew up in the states. Gypsies really weren't something we encountered. So the trope had very different meaning here. And I think the usage of it in Ravenloft was one where they were holding up gypsies as cool (they had a very bohemian vibe).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8271063, member: 85555"] I don't think they used that language to cover their butts, they used that language to make it explicitly not about race. So they aren't tiptoeing at all. It certainly could have been antebellum Louisiana, but it also could have been modeled after something in the Caribbean as well. In all likelihood whatever it was based on probably had race based slavery, but they didn't include it as far as I remember. In fact it looks like they specifically separated race out of the equation just to make sure it wasn't an issue. But my point is even if they had, that period in history existed, it is something you could draw on in a setting, and doing so wouldn't be an endorsement of slavery. It would be using something we recognize in order to provide a setting appropriate to horror (slavery is a terrible thing, particularly racially based slavery). I am not saying Ravenloft needs to have that or should. I am just saying if they did, I don't think it is automatically a problem, in a horror setting (unless they are doing something awful like defending it---but they wouldn't be doing that) I just re-read the vistani section in the black box and I thought it was fine (actually I think the curse of strahd Vistani had more negative traits than the black box but I could be wrong). But I liked the idea of vistani who could move freely from domain to domain, and existed slightly outside of time, and were connected to the gypsy horror trope. But again, I grew up in the states. Gypsies really weren't something we encountered. So the trope had very different meaning here. And I think the usage of it in Ravenloft was one where they were holding up gypsies as cool (they had a very bohemian vibe). [/QUOTE]
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