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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8271471" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>With all due respect, I think I have been stating my case well. You guys might be teachers, and I commend you for it, but I also think people lording their educational credentials in discussions like this is (and to be clear Paul definitely wasn't doing that, Paul was very polite about any credentials possessed) overlooks that there are plenty of people who don't have formal education in lit theory but have encountered it and have valid critiques of some of the kinds of analysis we are seeing here (my background is history, because history departments were heavily influenced by lit----when I was a student the biggest intrusion into the field was the linguistic turn). But I did have to take media and lit courses. I did read and encounter this stuff. I might not use the precise language you do, but my criticisms are grounded in having been exposed to it and found it not very persuasive. All that said though, people who don't have a college degree, people who aren't teachers are just as smart as anyone else and can think for themselves. So it shouldn't be a problem for someone with no background in something to have an opinion on media, which impacts everyone. Specialized academic departments can embrace bad ideas. We saw this with a lot of the racialist theories in the earlier part of the 20th century. At the time a lot of non-racists who found those theories disagreeable would have had a hard time contenting with the intellectual arguments being made because they weren't part of that university system or that social class. But they could still see it was wrong, and that academia had talked itself into a very questionable place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8271471, member: 85555"] With all due respect, I think I have been stating my case well. You guys might be teachers, and I commend you for it, but I also think people lording their educational credentials in discussions like this is (and to be clear Paul definitely wasn't doing that, Paul was very polite about any credentials possessed) overlooks that there are plenty of people who don't have formal education in lit theory but have encountered it and have valid critiques of some of the kinds of analysis we are seeing here (my background is history, because history departments were heavily influenced by lit----when I was a student the biggest intrusion into the field was the linguistic turn). But I did have to take media and lit courses. I did read and encounter this stuff. I might not use the precise language you do, but my criticisms are grounded in having been exposed to it and found it not very persuasive. All that said though, people who don't have a college degree, people who aren't teachers are just as smart as anyone else and can think for themselves. So it shouldn't be a problem for someone with no background in something to have an opinion on media, which impacts everyone. Specialized academic departments can embrace bad ideas. We saw this with a lot of the racialist theories in the earlier part of the 20th century. At the time a lot of non-racists who found those theories disagreeable would have had a hard time contenting with the intellectual arguments being made because they weren't part of that university system or that social class. But they could still see it was wrong, and that academia had talked itself into a very questionable place. [/QUOTE]
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