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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 8273660"><p>But this isn't what I am saying. I am not saying if you didn't how fear checks worked your not a fan. I am not even trying to say people can't claim to be fans. But I am saying if you spend most of the thread complaining about the core elements of the game, it seems strange to label yourself a fan of Ravenloft. It would be like saying you loved 2E but hated the classes, you couldn't stand the spells, you thought the worlds sucked in execution, etc. I can't read peoples minds. I don't know who played Ravenloft and who didn't. I am just a little saying there are many old fans who loved Ravenloft and didn't think it needed to be completely upended, and many of the people I have found myself debating on this thread, appear to think it was flawed right to the very foundation (I mean honestly I can see not liking a particular domain, but if you didn't even like the classic/gothic horror premise, or the setting, then what kind of fan is that?)</p></blockquote><p></p>