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OD&D Evidence Chainmail Had Material from Dave Arneson

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Rob Kuntz

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"I didn't start it," is not covering yourself in glory.
You seem to like to cherry pick as much as LowKey... Here's something to go by from my character in the Rogues Gallery (TSR 1980), last line of description for my PC, Robilar: “He is not at all pleasant if tricked.”
 

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Ovinomancer

No flips for you!
You seem to like to cherry pick as much as LowKey... Here's something to go by from my character in the Rogues Gallery (TSR 1980), last line of description for my PC, Robilar: “He is not at all pleasant if tricked.”
Directly responding to you is cherry picking? I had a longer post, but shortened it because it was mostly pointing out that you were acting as childish as you were accusing lowkey of acting, including passive-aggressive swipes about pacifiers. I deleted it as needlessly antagonistic and stuck with the main takeaway that "he started it" isn't never a good excuse for poor behavior, even when you quote a example from a game of a boorish character that also uses that excuse. Now you want to double down and weirdly accuse me of cherry picking? Odd.
 

Rob Kuntz

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Directly responding to you is cherry picking? I had a longer post, but shortened it because it was mostly pointing out that you were acting as childish as you were accusing lowkey of acting, including passive-aggressive swipes about pacifiers. I deleted it as needlessly antagonistic and stuck with the main takeaway that "he started it" isn't never a good excuse for poor behavior, even when you quote a example from a game of a boorish character that also uses that excuse. Now you want to double down and weirdly accuse me of cherry picking? Odd.
Well. Join Lowkey for a big smooch. This is no longer being conducted by the Queensbury Rules, they were thrown out a long time ago and I wasn't the one who tossed them.:LOL:
 

Ovinomancer

No flips for you!
Well. Join Lowkey for a big smooch. This is no longer being conducted by the Queensbury Rules, they were thrown out a long time ago and I wasn't the one who tossed them.:LOL:
I have my own issues with lowkey, and am not defending his behavior. I often find him aggressive and abrasive. Trust me, he's not a fan of me either (given how often I've landed on his ignore list). So, do not think this is a tag team on you. I was actually trying to point out that you were spiraling and hoping you'd pull out of the tailspin. Sadly, impacting the ground seems to be on your agenda for the day, and you're determined to blame others for it. So be it.
 

Rob Kuntz

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Sadly, impacting the ground seems to be on your agenda for the day, and you're determined to blame others for it. So be it.

You like absolutes. I am not crashing, in fact I am rising to smite my being disparaged. And in that there is no agenda-- only HONOR.
 

Aebir-Toril

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You like absolutes. I am not crashing, in fact I am rising to smite my being disparaged. And in that there is no agenda-- only HONOR.
I only seek the truth, as I care not whether Arneson was better than Gygax or somesuch.

However, with all respect intended, and please take this in the best sense possible, as I admire your work and your character, this is a bit much, no?

Defending your honor? Are people not allowed to push back a bit?
 

Rob Kuntz

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I only seek the truth, as I care not whether Arneson was better than Gygax or somesuch.

However, with all respect intended, and please take this in the best sense possible, as I admire your work and your character, this is a bit much, no?

Defending your honor? Are people not allowed to push back a bit?
OK. When I speak it is BS according to LK. I was also bribed, as directly accused of being by LK, into supporting the poster because he wrote a good and honest review of my book over 2 years ago. Attacking someone's character in this manner is not considered pushing back, at least not where I was raised. We call those fighting words; and yet I did try to disengage but was ridden like a bronco. So. In the arena of public opinion at this point, I could care less, but LowKey continued to achieve his goal--to disrupt this thread, no matter the cost, no matter the extent to which he had to sink to accomplish that. That is what I experienced. It is now a fact. It needn't have been. But that's what is gotten when a sum of 3 is arrived at by 1+1...
 


Ovinomancer

No flips for you!
I only seek the truth, as I care not whether Arneson was better than Gygax or somesuch.

However, with all respect intended, and please take this in the best sense possible, as I admire your work and your character, this is a bit much, no?

Defending your honor? Are people not allowed to push back a bit?
Better said than me, I hope it's more effective.
 

Someone has a habit of using "dont reply to me" as a bullying and censoring tactic.

If you argue, you will be replied to.

Anyone who wishes not to be replied to is the one who must take it upon themselves to remove themselves. Otherwise they are being a burden, a bully, censorious, and an entitled brat who is tyranically atrempting to control what others say.

Also i havent checked but im just curious. Who approached who?
 


1. Thanks for your input.

2. Due to the change in the enworld system, you can’t two-way block. So this is someone saying, “I’m removing myself, don’t respond anymore.”

3. It is neither bullying nor harassment to end conversations with unpleasant people; it is, however, harassment to continue conversations with people who do not want it.

4. Don’t reply to me.

So block one way.

If you enfranchise yourself in a non exclusive conversation you are part of it.

And others should be allowed to address your points.

Yes. You are engaging in a bullying tactic.

I will not reply to you unless i deem it reasonable to do so. due to your involving yourself in a conversation that you hold no special entitlements. We can all speak here.

I can remove the quoting mechanisms so that you arent necessarily pinged. Ill do that.

But if you say something in a conversation on a publc forum, anyone and everyone can also say something referencing it. Agreeing or not. We are all here.
 


I apologize if I was in any way unclear. Per the civility rules of this forum, I was informing you that you are not to contact me on this thread. Period.

if you are unclear on this, take it up with Umbran. Feel free to explain your views on bullying and harassment. But not to me.
Ok.

Dont undermine yourself by contacting me though.

Sure. I understand.
 



Rob Kuntz

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From Benjamin E. Sones' interview of Dave, "Dungeon Crawl" Dungeons & Dragons co-creator Dave Arneson takes role-playing off the table 5/8/2001

Around that time you were running a "dungeon crawl" war-game using a variation of the Chainmail rules—how did that turn into Dungeons & Dragons?

I used Chainmail for about a month before switching its Matrix based combat system of 'winner take all' to the AC, Hit Points, and Hit Dice system that is still used today. After the first game it was obvious that none of the players liked the sudden death of the matrix. The reason was simple—it existed, and I had no idea that this might catch on. And I had the only three sets of d20 known to exist, at that time, in the USA. With the rapid addition of my favorite monsters from fiction, and the vivid imagination of the players, a matrix could not maintain the variety. All this stuff went into my big notebook [and was later published as the First Fantasy Campaign by the Judges Guild].

Chainmail had a 'fantasy section;' otherwise it was strictly a set of miniatures wargame rules with no role-playing. Certainly the Spell section proved to be inadequate even by the end of the first dungeon crawl. Being an avid fantasy and science fiction reader, the addition of role-playing was natural. My club had been dabbling in role-playing for miniatures games for several years. We had done games ranging from South American Revolutions to modern day cloak and dagger. That was all pretty much non-formalized and just an extension of our tabletop wargames.

Blackmoor quickly took the game off the table and onto graph paper. This all began in about 1971. The next step was going into the great outdoors, beyond the tabletop. As a point of interest, the original group still gets together once a year to play the 'old' campaign that started in 1971—usually around Christmas. This year we will be doing it in May, when I am doing a local convention called MarsCon. And I got to use those d20 for something!
 


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