Evil Outsider vs. Level-draining Undead

[Endur]

This is a silly question, but do evil outsiders from the Abyss, Nine Hells, etc. suffer level drains from evil undead (Wights, Spectres, Vampires, etc.).

On the one hand, nothing in the demon or devil descriptions says they are immune. On the other hand, level drains only affect living creatures so do Demons and Devils qualify as living creatures for level draining purposes?

Especially since they are from the lower planes? You would expect positive energy to be a problem for Demons, not negative energy.

Not sure that the core rules answer this question anywhere.

 

[Thomas Hobbes]

Positive energy and negative energy aren't really aligned. One is just hostile to life (and tends to create undead) while the other causes life to flourish. Neither egative energy elementals (Xeg-yis from the Manual of the Planes) northe Negative Energy plane itself are evil. Outsiders are living creatures just like everything else, and vulnerable to negative energy drain.

The problem with this, of course, is that you have to whip up some Savage Species-esque progressions if they lose any hit dice to the drain....

 

[Endur]

But are outsiders really living creatures?

In FR and most of the other D&D cosmology's, an evil soul becomes a demon or devil after death and some period of evolving on the relevant evil plane. First a Lemure, etc, etc.

Since the person in question has already died, is he now back in the land of the living albeit as an outsider? i.e. are we talking reincarnation here?

Positive energy and negative energy aren't really aligned. One is just hostile to life (and tends to create undead) while the other causes life to flourish. Neither egative energy elementals (Xeg-yis from the Manual of the Planes) northe Negative Energy plane itself are evil. Outsiders are living creatures just like everything else, and vulnerable to negative energy drain.

 

[Thomas Hobbes]

I would tend to say that they are. Or at the very least, I don't know a spell that doesn't treat them as such (vulnerable to death attacks, for example).

 

[Grazzt]

Unless the monster specifically states its immune to level draining, etc....then it can be affected by such. So, outsiders can be affected by energy draining attacks.

 

[Thomas Hobbes]

Of course, it goes without saying that you could rule 0 it. Your argument about why they wouldn't be does make sense, it's just not backed up by the way the rules read.