Excerpt: Racial Benefits

[Derren]

Except for the fact that that buttload of abilities each race (except Humans) got at first level happened whether you wanted them to or not. This version is about the character concept.

Besides, why do you care? You won't be playing 4e.

Having to spend feats so that the PC is actually a member of the race he is hasn't really much to do with character concept.
"I play an halfling"
"Ok, what do they have for special abilities?"
"None so far"
"None? But then they are just short humans"
"Yes, isn't that great? To really be a halfling you have to purchase the extra abilities with feats. That makes race choice much more important than in 3E!)
"So the race is important only because of feat acces, but in the basic version the only difference is what ability scores they have? Yeah, right...."

Ok,ok. I guess this setup makes it easier to play "Race X raised by race Y" type characters as you don't have to take social "racial" abilities. But in the end this actually devalues the importance of race.

 

[ThirdWizard]

Tiefling is starting to feel a bit too much like "Warlocks: the Race," and I have the (albeit possibly unfounded) worry that a, say, human warlock will be trailing far behind a tiefling one.

Infernal Wrath
Tiefling Racial Power
You call upon your furious nature to improve your odds of harming your foe.
Encounter
Minor Action Personal
Effect: You can channel your fury to gain a +1 power bonus to your next attack roll against en enemy that hit you since your last turn. If your attack hits and deals damage, do an extra +1 damage.

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That has nothing to do with Warlocks. In fact, its pretty awesome for anyone. And, adding push back to that is going to be gravy for most PCs as well!

 

[hong]

"Ok, what do they have for special abilities?"
"None so far"

Tch.

 

[ThirdWizard]

Having to spend feats so that the PC is actually a member of the race he is hasn't really much to do with character concept.
"I play an halfling"
"Ok, what do they have for special abilities?"
"None so far"
"None? But then they are just short humans"
"Yes, isn't that great? To really be a halfling you have to purchase the extra abilities with feats. That makes race choice much more important than in 3E!)
"So the race is important only because of feat acces, but in the basic version the only difference is what ability scores they have? Yeah, right...."

Ok,ok. I guess this setup makes it easier to play "Race X raised by race Y" type characters as you don't have to take social "racial" abilities. But in the end this actually devalues the importance of race.

Somebody needs to read a bit about races.

http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dramp/20071221

 

[LowSpine]

Except for the fact that that buttload of abilities each race (except Humans) got at first level happened whether you wanted them to or not. This version is about the character concept.

Besides, why do you care? You won't be playing 4e.

Is derren one of those people who hates 4E, has no intention of getting 4E and will never change his mind about it, but for some reason keeps coming on forums complaining about every single aspect of it?

I don't know that he is, but that's what it sounds like.

If so, that really gets on my nerves. I can't stand musicals but you don't see me going on musical forums bugging everyone about how stupid they are. I have better things to do.

If not, well it doesn't apply then does it.

 

[Klaus]

I wonder how this is explained:

"Light Step____Elf____Add to overland speed of group, +1 to Acrobatics and Stealth"

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Is derren one of those people who hates 4E, has no intention of getting 4E and will never change his mind about it, but for some reason keeps coming on forums complaining about every single aspect of it?

I don't know that he is, but that's what it sounds like.

If so, that really gets on my nerves. I can't stand musicals but you don't see me going on musical forums bugging everyone about how stupid they are. I have better things to do.

If not, well it doesn't apply then does it.

Yep. That seems to describes him. There is luckily a forum function to minimize the impact of such posters.

I remember the IMDB forums for Battlestar Galactica (the new series). I wonder if Derren posted there, too, and if so, if he was a fan of the new BSG or not, and if his nick-name relates to arachnoids...

 

[Kwalish Kid]

Somebody needs to read a bit about races.

http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dramp/20071221

Can somebody please report Darren's posts? He's simply being rude.

On matters of actual substance, I think it is worth noting that there are probably Paragon tier versions of many of these feats and that these Paragon tier feats may have no prerequisite aside from being in the Paragon tier. This means that the Heroic tier feats could be retrained to be more effective without spending another feat. Since it seems that one can only retrain one feat a level, this can only be done slowly, but it would be worth it.

 

[Charwoman Gene]

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[Mirtek]

I wonder how this is explained:

"Light Step____Elf____Add to overland speed of group, +1 to Acrobatics and Stealth"

Dwarf: I WONT BE OUTRUN BY A STINKING ELF!!!!