Excerpt: skill challenges

[Celebrim]

KoDT-style Players-vs.-DM mentality hasn't happened to me since I got out of High School, except in those games where I specifically encouraged it (either because I was a moron, or because that particular game/group combination had more fun with it).

I'm not sure that's really so different than what I said.

Let me rephrase, "KoDT-style Players vs. DM mentality hasn't happened to me except in those games where I specifically encouraged it (either because I was a moron, or because thier were particular players that had more fun with the game that way.)"

And really, its rarely dysfunctional. (I'm not even sure that I'd say that BA's table was dysfunctional as a gaming table, though it is obviously filled with people who are fairly dysfunctional anywhere but gaming. Nitro's table on the other hand...) The only time I've ever been involved in a disfunctional player vs. DM mentality was when I was co-DMing specifically as the antagonist side and the co-DM had a radically different DM style than me and the player didn't have the experience with me as a DM to have a trust in my style. But even that sort of two headed DM monster has worked out spectacularly on occassion.

 

[Lacyon]

I'm not sure that's really so different than what I said.

Why would it be?

And really, its rarely dysfunctional.

Precisely. I expect Cadfan finds his players the same place you do. He just sets expectations differently, and they respond, for the most part, like mature adults.

But even that sort of two headed DM monster has worked out spectacularly on occassion.

There's no reason it shouldn't.

EDIT: Actually, I missed your post at the end of the last page. It seems we're not so far in disagreement as it first appeared.