Exotic weapon proficiency

[Sektat]

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Exotic Weapon Proficiency [General]
Choose a type of exotic weapon. You understand how to use that type of exotic weapon in combat.
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What exactly is a "type" of exotic weapon?
I have EWP on the Kusarigama (which is like the spiked chain, except that it has a blunt end) from the Kitsunemori ruleset.
Now I found the "dragon chain" from "red hand of doom". Am I proficient with that weapon?
What about the standard spiked chain?

 

[nittanytbone]

Each weapon requires its own EWP feat.

So, you need EWP (Kukri) and EWP (Elvish Thinblade), even though both are weapon-finesseable bladed weapons.

 

[Mystern]

there is an alternate rule from unearthed arcana though which basically the feat allows prof. with all types of that kind of weapon. not sure what the name of the feat is though . . .

 

[Elethiomel]

Each weapon requires its own EWP feat.

So, you need EWP (Kukri) and EWP (Elvish Thinblade), even though both are weapon-finesseable bladed weapons.

In principle, you are correct. But you don't need EWP (Kukri) because the Kukri is a Martial weapon.

 

[nittanytbone]

In principle, you are correct. But you don't need EWP (Kukri) because the Kukri is a Martial weapon.

Doh, you're right... Replace Kukri with Kama with my apologies.

 

[Enforcer]

Kukri used to be exotic in 3.0, if I remember correctly. I love that it's martial now.

 

[Nazhkandrias]

I can't help but feel that there are a few shared Exotic Weapon Proficiencies, and the only one that comes to mind is the Katana - Bastard Sword one, but they're basically the same weapon. Sometimes, common sense comes into play - if they're basically the same weapon, and neither one is much more powerful than the other, and for some bizarre reason, you want to use them both, then I would think that houseruling that they share proficiency wouldn't be out of reach.

Oh, and the Weapon Groups variant is in the SRD (www.d20srd.org). It's a great variant - personally, I prefer it over the typical rules on proficiency feats. If a character can use a Greatsword (due to a Martial Weapon Prof. feat), then why can't they use a Falchion as well? If they're trained in Greatsword use, you'd think that they'd at least be decent with such a similar weapon.

 

[irdeggman]

I can't help but feel that there are a few shared Exotic Weapon Proficiencies, and the only one that comes to mind is the Katana - Bastard Sword one, but they're basically the same weapon. Sometimes, common sense comes into play - if they're basically the same weapon, and neither one is much more powerful than the other, and for some bizarre reason, you want to use them both, then I would think that houseruling that they share proficiency wouldn't be out of reach.

Actually per the DMG they are not the same weapon.

It requires EWP (katana) to use a katana in one hand - it doesn't say that EWP (bastard sword) works for both - even though it says it is functionally a bastard sword. Although technically they are really nothing alike as far as use goes.

 

[Nazhkandrias]

Actually per the DMG they are not the same weapon.

It requires EWP (katana) to use a katana in one hand - it doesn't say that EWP (bastard sword) works for both - even though it says it is functionally a bastard sword. Although technically they are really nothing alike as far as use goes.

Well, stat-wise, they are identical. The only difference is that a katana is always masterwork, and it costs a little bit more. In addition, when the DMG refers to it, it's more or less assuming that the katana replaces the bastard sword entirely in an Asian campaign, thus making the bastard sword proficiency feat unnecessary, since the bastard sword is a mainly European weapon.

As such, in a multicultural adventure (Complete Warrior Samurai, for instance), it would make sense that being proficient with a bastard sword would mean being proficient with the katana, and vice-versa. Otherwise, if the DM specified that a monster's bastard sword was in fact a katana, boom, the party Fighter's been thrown out of the lootpile.

As for realisticness in terms of weapon use, true, they are different. But, I think that the reason why the bastard sword is exotic is the weight and length of the weapon - it's initially too big and heavy to use well. The same is true for the katana. Using them two-handed really just requires being decent with a sword (the overall martial weapon proficiencies given to most full-BAB classes), the real exotic bit is the weight. So, since the bastard sword and the katana weigh the same (and, thus, we can assume that they are close in length), can it not be assumed that if you have the single-handed strength training required for a bastard sword, that you could manage the same with the katana?

Regardless of personal opinion, though, this seems like a really obscure scenario that would have to be resolved by a DM judgement.